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Post by nightangel1282 on Sept 30, 2011 16:09:48 GMT -5
Love how LHM can't cite anything regarding women in combat disrupting unit moral or any of the objections he's raised. ironbite-very telling I'm wondering why we're even trying to argue with him. It's like trying to talk sense to a brick wall... only a brick wall might listen better and doesn't keep rewording the same fucking argument. I think this thread is turning out to be WORSE than the one I was linked to. I need to get a tylenol... excuse me... *wanders off* |
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Post by lighthorseman on Sept 30, 2011 16:10:01 GMT -5
Let me try this... what is the racial make up of your country's Olympic track team? How about your country's Olympic swim team? Are they ethnically diverse? Does racial equality feature prominently in who they let in? Or... are the specifics of the job they have to do considered more important than ensuring that they reflect the ethnic make up of society? I would contend that the military is similar... the nature of its role means that practicalities of optimisation are more important than window dressing and making sure PC niceties are observed. The problem with that analogy my friend is that anybody who makes the cut gets in. If one person of whatever group makes the cut we let them in. This isn't 1930's Germany where you had to look the part in order to be allowed to compete... and then get shown up when another country allowed the best person for the job to represent them. My point is that in sport, it is acepted that you go with the best team for the job, regardless of whether it is "PC" or not. I am simply saying the military should be the same. I respectfully disagree. Backwater shitholes that they are, the stresses of combat and deployment are no less real. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Sept 30, 2011 16:11:14 GMT -5
And military deployments can last for months at a time. Sorry, no, they aren't comparable. And yes,m I have worked 17 hour double shifts in hospitals. You still get to go home at the end of it, and take the weekend off. Okay, I'll give you a different example then. What about men and women who go working up in the Oil Sands and similar places for MONTHS at a time? Living in close quarters, little privacy, etc. I haven't heard of any problems erupted from them. I know a man who works there for six months at a time. So does one of his DAUGHTERS. Is any one shooting at them? Are they free to leave if they want? |
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Post by lighthorseman on Sept 30, 2011 16:12:47 GMT -5
Love how LHM can't cite anything regarding women in combat disrupting unit moral or any of the objections he's raised. ironbite-very telling 12/16 HRL 1998, Grant Prendegast/ vs. Andrew Mangan re: Ky Riley. AFX at Singleton. Happy now? |
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Post by lighthorseman on Sept 30, 2011 16:13:41 GMT -5
Love how LHM can't cite anything regarding women in combat disrupting unit moral or any of the objections he's raised. ironbite-very telling I'm wondering why we're even trying to argue with him. It's like trying to talk sense to a brick wall... only a brick wall might listen better and doesn't keep rewording the same fucking argument. I think this thread is turning out to be WORSE than the one I was linked to. I need to get a tylenol... excuse me... *wanders off* I'm still waiting for you to explain what it is, specifically, I have said that you take issue with. |
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Post by nightangel1282 on Sept 30, 2011 16:16:20 GMT -5
Okay, I'll give you a different example then. What about men and women who go working up in the Oil Sands and similar places for MONTHS at a time? Living in close quarters, little privacy, etc. I haven't heard of any problems erupted from them. I know a man who works there for six months at a time. So does one of his DAUGHTERS. Is any one shooting at them? Are they free to leave if they want? *headdesk, headdesk, headdesk* WHY THE FUCK DOES THAT MAKE SUCH A HUGE FUCKING DIFFERENCE?! And as I said... they work there for MONTHS AT A TIME!!!! They leave when their MONTHLY SHIFTS are DONE!! Fuck it! You refuse to listen, and keep spouting off the same bullshit. I'm done with this shit. You're totally and utterly full of shit, LHM and you can deny it all you want but you're a sexist shithead! |
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Post by m52nickerson on Sept 30, 2011 16:16:36 GMT -5
I've seen exacly the sort of problem I am talking about occur in non arms corps units. ...and I've just as many problem with people of the same sex. Then again I asked you for a citation to back up your claim. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Sept 30, 2011 16:22:59 GMT -5
I've seen exacly the sort of problem I am talking about occur in non arms corps units. ...and I've just as many problem with people of the same sex. Then again I asked you for a citation to back up your claim. You want a citation for anecdotal evidence? |
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Post by lighthorseman on Sept 30, 2011 16:24:38 GMT -5
Is any one shooting at them? Are they free to leave if they want? *headdesk, headdesk, headdesk* WHY THE FUCK DOES THAT MAKE SUCH A HUGE FUCKING DIFFERENCE?! And as I said... they work there for MONTHS AT A TIME!!!! They leave when their MONTHLY SHIFTS are DONE!! Fuck it! You refuse to listen, and keep spouting off the same bullshit. I'm done with this shit. You're totally and utterly full of shit, LHM and you can deny it all you want but you're a sexist shithead! Riiight. Well, thank you for that demonstration of how NOT to have a meaningful contemplative discussion. |
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Post by MaybeNever on Sept 30, 2011 16:26:05 GMT -5
...and I've just as many problem with people of the same sex. Then again I asked you for a citation to back up your claim. You want a citation for anecdotal evidence? Presumably it is the anecdotal nature of the evidence that is the problem. |
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Post by Tenfold_Maquette on Sept 30, 2011 16:27:56 GMT -5
12/16 HRL 1998, Grant Prendegast/ vs. Andrew Mangan re: Ky Riley. AFX at Singleton. Is there a link to this anywhere? My Google-fu has failed me. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Sept 30, 2011 16:35:00 GMT -5
You want a citation for anecdotal evidence? Presumably it is the anecdotal nature of the evidence that is the problem. Which is why there was SUPPOSED to be an in depth objective scientific assessment of what impact women in combat roles was supposed to have, which la Gillard and her merry band of incompetents and bedwetters happily steamrolled past in an attempt to get cheap votes by saying "look how enlightened and feminist we are". If there WERE an indepth, longitudinal objective study, I'd be very happy to take it onboard. However, since there isn't, anecdotal evidence and the gut feeling of crotchety old combat vets is the best you will do. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Sept 30, 2011 16:37:26 GMT -5
12/16 HRL 1998, Grant Prendegast/ vs. Andrew Mangan re: Ky Riley. AFX at Singleton. Is there a link to this anywhere? My Google-fu has failed me. I very much doubt it. |
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Post by MaybeNever on Sept 30, 2011 16:38:33 GMT -5
Actually it's the best that you will do, since I don't really care about this issue except in the vague sense that it potentially opens avenues for me to make bon mots and brief observances illustrating how brilliant I am. 12/16 HRL 1998, Grant Prendegast/ vs. Andrew Mangan re: Ky Riley. AFX at Singleton. Is there a link to this anywhere? My Google-fu has failed me. Best guess is that LHM is either Prendegast or Mangan, or else they were squadmates of his. |
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Post by Shane for Wax on Sept 30, 2011 16:43:37 GMT -5
There's hardly a difference between mates having a fight and lovers having a fight that disrupts things.  Thanks for cherry picking. |
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