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Post by nightangel1282 on Sept 27, 2011 20:16:56 GMT -5
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Post by Art Vandelay on Sept 27, 2011 23:52:15 GMT -5
I propose an all female tank army be immediately raised and once ready deployed to Saudi Arabia. The lols to be had would be immense.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Sept 28, 2011 1:00:53 GMT -5
I don't know what's worse, the article, or the comments.
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Post by Lime Paradox on Sept 28, 2011 1:29:16 GMT -5
...I think my brain is crying. =|
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Post by Smurfette Principle on Sept 28, 2011 1:31:48 GMT -5
I don't know what's worse, the article, or the comments. ...what. What is this. What is this douchefuckery. |
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Post by MaybeNever on Sept 28, 2011 1:48:39 GMT -5
I don't know what's worse, the article, or the comments. ...what. What is this. What is this douchefuckery. The truth? If you break the law, you suffer the consequences. This is as true when the law is unjust as it is when the law is just. Not that Saudi women (or men, frankly) should just accept such laws, but civil disobedience doesn't come without consequences. |
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Sept 28, 2011 2:26:07 GMT -5
It's true it comes with consequences, but those consequences should not be tolerated just because "well, it's the law" in cases such as these.
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Post by sylvana on Sept 28, 2011 3:12:52 GMT -5
It's true it comes with consequences, but those consequences should not be tolerated just because "well, it's the law" in cases such as these. Unfortunately, as long as the majority of the people who live there feel that these laws are perfectly just nothing will change or happen. Just because we are lucky enough to live in more liberal and free countries, does not mean we have absolute say on what is just and unjust. Justice is decided mainly by the people who follow those laws. If the people of Saudi truly thought the laws were unjust, they would rise up. Until then they are content. |
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Sept 28, 2011 3:32:28 GMT -5
While I agree that justice is a heavily subjective concept, I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with labeling another nation's laws as unjust if you perceive them as such, particularly if there's tangible harm that you can point to.
Now, labeling Saudis as subhuman barbarians and the like definitely would be wrong.
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Sept 28, 2011 3:38:49 GMT -5
Not allowing women to drive is unjust. That isn't subjective at all. It's just a fact.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Sept 28, 2011 3:43:36 GMT -5
It's still subjective, even if I completely disagree with the law. Whether something is morally right or wrong isn't an objective fact, it's a matter of human perception.
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Post by brendanrizzo on Sept 28, 2011 9:46:06 GMT -5
It's still subjective, even if I completely disagree with the law. Whether something is morally right or wrong isn't an objective fact, it's a matter of human perception. So you're basically saying that no one should ever protest human rights violations because the people committing them don't think they're wrong. Sorry for the upcoming Godwin, but if you were alive in the 1940s, would you have said "oh, we shouldn't try to stop the Nazis' Holocaust, because while we may perceive it as unjust, they clearly do not"? I know I'm gonna be flamed for the Godwin, but the comparison is really apt here. The one question I have is how did that Arabian woman (I refuse to say Saudi because that refers to their despotic ruling house) learn how to drive in the first place? There is no way she has a license. I'm just glad that no one got hurt. |
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Sept 28, 2011 9:53:08 GMT -5
The one question I have is how did that Arabian woman (I refuse to say Saudi because that refers to their despotic ruling house) learn how to drive in the first place? There is no way she has a license. I'm just glad that no one got hurt. You never had a friend whose dad taught them to drive when they were 14? (Applies more if you live in rural areas I guess) In any case the law is and has always been controlled by a small group of conservative Muslim clergymen. No one really votes them in, only the king really the power to expel them. And King Abdullah himself is what, 87? The royal family is an incredible joke. In other words, nothing will change unless the men are willing to rise up with the women. And so far there have been no signs of that. |
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Post by nightangel1282 on Sept 28, 2011 13:14:45 GMT -5
The messed up thing is, there is no WRITTEN law stating that women can't drive. It's just their religious philosophies because they're afraid allowing women freedom of movement will encourage them to "Sin". If I'm reading everything right, I think the religious police run the country rather than the actual fucking LEADER of the country.
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Post by Professor Cold Heart on Sept 28, 2011 13:58:40 GMT -5
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