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Post by observer on Mar 12, 2010 13:18:08 GMT -5
@ The Watcher (sorry i don't know how to quote pieces)
Personally i agree with the school because i feel she was trying to go into a community where she knows moral convictions are against her lifestyle, and force them not only to admit her but to accept it as normal, essentially spiting in the face of the values of the community. She had no regard for their feelings on the issue. Its like sticking your nose some place it doesn't belong. Its sort of like a white supremacist going to a Harlem school demanding to wear a shirt with the confederate flag on it and swastikas, and then demanding he be allowed to do that every day, essentially saying "learn to live with it". People can always move, why do they have to force people to throw away their values and adopt theirs?
I won't expand on why i agree with the school other than i have my own reasons as well, so as not to get flammed here.
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Post by Vene on Mar 12, 2010 13:21:59 GMT -5
Gotcha, don't make the bigots uncomfortable by existing.
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Post by Nihilist on Mar 12, 2010 13:33:23 GMT -5
@ The Watcher (sorry i don't know how to quote pieces) Personally i agree with the school because i feel she was trying to go into a community where she knows moral convictions are against her lifestyle, and force them not only to admit her but to accept it as normal, essentially spiting in the face of the values of the community. To assume that someone's lifestyle is lacking in moral convictions is fallacy. To blame a single person on the reason why they're not holding a prom is terrible of the school, when they could have sucked it up and allowed it to happen, and have a prom for everyone instead of being whiny in the name of these "moral" convictions. It's a public school, there is supposed to be a separation of church and state, and they shouldn't blame one person for wanting to be accepted and have a prom like everyone else. I didn't go to prom. Other things were more fun. But then, I also was too afraid- too much of a rebel. Too much of anything. And if only I had the balls, the maturity, to take my own love to the prom and risk an entire community laughing, my mother's shame, everything. Because your own personal happiness should be worth it, and one's life shouldn't be spent trying to please everyone.
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Post by renaissanceblonde on Mar 12, 2010 13:33:35 GMT -5
I really don't have any response to Observer outside of something which belongs in Flame and Burn.
I will just say this hit national headlines in AUSTRALIA! And all we have is Year 6/7, Year 10 and Year 12 formals. All of which sucked, I found.
Observer: Heaven forbid two teens in love should want to go to the prom together; at that age, the poor kids were probably born into that community and can't yet escape.
Teacup tragedy compared to Chile? Probably. But at that age, it's important shit, hmm?
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Post by observer on Mar 12, 2010 13:37:12 GMT -5
Gotcha, don't make the bigots uncomfortable by existing. Labeling some one a bigot is very relative. You can call any one a bigot for disagreeing with you. Here is the Mirriam Webster Defenition of Bigot: "a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices" If thats the case, then im a bigot against white supremacists, because im intolerantly devoted to my opinion that they are asses. So any one can be called a bigot then, for having set opinions on an issue. I really don't have any response to Observer outside of something which belongs in Flame and Burn. I will just say this hit national headlines in AUSTRALIA! And all we have is Year 6/7, Year 10 and Year 12 formals. All of which sucked, I found. Observer: Heaven forbid two teens in love should want to go to the prom together; at that age, the poor kids were probably born into that community and can't yet escape. Teacup tragedy compared to Chile? Probably. But at that age, it's important shit, hmm? So because i agree with the school and not all of you this belongs in flame and burn? Ok Ill shut up. Suffice to say i agree with the school. Thats my 2 cents
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Post by Nihilist on Mar 12, 2010 13:40:14 GMT -5
So any one can be called a bigot then, for having set opinions on an issue. Forget it, there's no point arguing and trying to convince a troglodyte much anything. I had this long comment typed up, but what's the point? You're not going to reply or consider anything I post anyway. Might as well moon.
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Post by observer on Mar 12, 2010 13:42:47 GMT -5
Ill reply, but some one has already said this belongs in a flame thread, so ill shut up and not rock the boat. I just wanted to chime in my opinion. And the quote you refer to: it was made regarding the strict definition of a bigot.
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Post by Nihilist on Mar 12, 2010 13:45:54 GMT -5
Ill reply, but some one has already said this belongs in a flame thread, so ill shut up and not rock the boat. I just wanted to chime in my opinion. And the quote you refer to: it was made regarding the strict definition of a bigot. Oh, rocking the boat? Collateral. And your opinion is very, very bigoted. Just so you know and there are no misunderstandings. If I see you in F and B, expect me to pull no punches lest our paths cross again.
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Post by observer on Mar 12, 2010 13:51:21 GMT -5
Same with me ;D . You know its been said to make things equal, you have to offer something to every one, or no one at all. The school chose no one, and i thought that was a viable option. No discrimination if no one is allowed to go, or in this case, its cancelled.
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Post by Nihilist on Mar 12, 2010 13:56:12 GMT -5
Same with me ;D . You know its been said to make things equal, you have to offer something to every one, or no one at all. The school chose no one, and i thought that was a viable option. No discrimination if no one is allowed to go, or in this case, its cancelled. Allow me to replace "lesbian" with "black". OH CRAP A BLACK PERSON IS COMING TO OUR PROM SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING ... see the fallacy now? See it? I was contemplating leaving you be, but as a piece of wank you're too succulent to ignore. Like a nice rack. Civil rights are civil rights, no matter the group.
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Post by jaHer on Mar 12, 2010 14:19:45 GMT -5
Personally i agree with the school because i feel she was trying to go into a community where she knows moral convictions are against her lifestyle, and force them not only to admit her but to accept it as normal, essentially spiting in the face of the values of the community. Ugh. There are so many things wrong with this paragraph, I'm not entirely sure where to start. I guess I'll start by saying, she's as much a community member there as the next person and has just as much a right to be a community member. I like how you're already excluding her because... Well you don't really have a good reason, do you? Just that she's homosexual and daring to be accepted for who she is. She had no regard for their feelings on the issue. Well, gee, I guess it's because she's the only one it affects. I'm going to take a guess and say the majority of the community is heterosexual, so why do they even care? Its like sticking your nose some place it doesn't belong. Except, it does belong, because she's also a member of that community and it happens to affect her life. Which tends to make things one's business. Its sort of like a white supremacist going to a Harlem school demanding to wear a shirt with the confederate flag on it and swastikas, and then demanding he be allowed to do that every day, essentially saying "learn to live with it". White Supremecists: hateful, bigoted people who advocate the discrimination and in a lot of cases violence against other people based on skin colour. Lesbians: people who happen to love a type of person everyone else deems inappropriate. Yes, I'm totally seeing how these things are comparable. People can always move, why do they have to force people to throw away their values and adopt theirs? 1. She's a kid. 2. No one is asking these moral people to suddenly become homosexual themselves. Homosexuals exist. They are people. They have the right to be treated as people, because that's what they are. 3. Homosexuality is not a moral value. I won't expand on why i agree with the school other than i have my own reasons as well, so as not to get flammed here. Didn't you join here because you wanted to lurk around "the opposing side?" Why are you whining about people disagreeing with you?
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Post by renaissanceblonde on Mar 12, 2010 15:13:32 GMT -5
Observer: I was saying that I didn't have a response outside of something which would have belonged in F&B because it involved insulting your intelligence and sense of morality in explicit language.
Then I found a slightly more polite response.
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Post by Spark on Mar 12, 2010 15:23:19 GMT -5
Its like sticking your nose some place it doesn't belong. Its sort of like a white supremacist going to a Harlem school demanding to wear a shirt with the confederate flag on it and swastikas, and then demanding he be allowed to do that every day, essentially saying "learn to live with it". For reasons that jaHer has already explained, it actually isn't anything like that at all. Comparing the school to a minority group and the girl to a hate group that despises them is absurd, and it reeks of a persecution complex.
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Post by MaybeNever on Mar 12, 2010 15:26:55 GMT -5
It's less like the white supremacist and more like somebody with blue eyes going into a school and demanding to be allowed to be treated equally anyway.
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Post by Sigmaleph on Mar 12, 2010 16:21:48 GMT -5
@ The Watcher (sorry i don't know how to quote pieces) Personally i agree with the school because i feel she was trying to go into a community where she knows moral convictions are against her lifestyle, and force them not only to admit her but to accept it as normal, essentially spiting in the face of the values of the community. She had no regard for their feelings on the issue. Its like sticking your nose some place it doesn't belong. Its sort of like a white supremacist going to a Harlem school demanding to wear a shirt with the confederate flag on it and swastikas, and then demanding he be allowed to do that every day, essentially saying "learn to live with it". People can always move, why do they have to force people to throw away their values and adopt theirs? I won't expand on why i agree with the school other than i have my own reasons as well, so as not to get flammed here. So, the majority's right not to feel uncomfortable is more important that the minority's right to equal treatment?
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