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Post by ironbite on Jun 25, 2009 1:59:03 GMT -5
It's an advertisement. God, I wish America would just get over this "OMG SEX/NUDITY IS BAD!" shit. You and me both.
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Post by HarleyThomas1002 on Jun 25, 2009 3:55:07 GMT -5
I get the feeling Ol' Ironbite has a different reason for wanting America to get over it.
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Post by schizophonic on Jun 25, 2009 8:13:20 GMT -5
It's an advertisement. God, I wish America would just get over this "OMG SEX/NUDITY IS BAD!" shit. You and me both. You still won't get any, Ironcreep.
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Post by Caitshidhe on Jun 25, 2009 8:41:38 GMT -5
*sighs* I agree, the people need to get the fuck over themselves about sexuality. Americans are real sissies when it comes to sex, sexuality, and all things related. It's embarrassing to be a member of a country who has such bass-ackwards ideas about sex and nudity--people around here will LOSE THEIR FUCKING SHIT if there's a half-second of side-boob in a movie or game, but don't even bat an eye when said game or movie involves disemboweling enemies with shrimp forks. (Okay, hyperbole utilized here, but you get the idea.) You make nudity forbidden like this, and the kids will just be all over it--something forbidden is automatically more interesting. That applies to... anything. People seriously need to, as my cousin says, build a bridge and get over it. Sexuality is a part of life.
That said, I think the ad is pretty dumb and in very poor taste. Not because it's OHMIGAWSH DAMAGING to kids, but because it's just... stupid. That's the sort of thing I'd roll my eyes at and go back to my sketchbook.
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Post by ironbite on Jun 25, 2009 12:06:22 GMT -5
Cait sums up my feelings exactly. Yes, while I am a perv, I do think that America's obsession with sex and nudity is a bit ass-backwards in this day and age. I didn't grow up in the 50s you know. Sex is a part of who we are and telling people that seeing naked flesh is wrong and bad just sends mixed signals. The puritans really managed to get their claws into some of our social behaviors and I for one am sick of it.
Ironbite-I believe it's why we have such a sky-rocketing teenage birth rate right now...because nobodies telling these kids it's ok to have sex as long as you have protection.
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Post by dantesvirgil on Jun 25, 2009 13:13:33 GMT -5
Well, and I think part of it is also that we're telling kids that it's important to be sexual, that everything from your jeans to your shampoo is about being sexual, that products equal sexuality -- and we're not giving them any information about birth control, etc.
And we're also not giving kids and teenagers any space as a society to not be sexual if they don't want to be. While sex is natural, etc. etc., kids have a hard enough time developing into their sexuality without having images of what sex is "really" all about shoved in their faces constantly. They're under a lot of pressure as far as sex goes from a lot of different places.
It's not about being prudish about sex, it's about not tying consumption to sexuality, in my opinion anyway.
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Post by Vene on Jun 25, 2009 13:24:59 GMT -5
I actually think that prudes think more about sex than perverts. When you're perverted, sexuality comes and goes and there are times when you don't think about sex. When you try to actively avoid sex, you have to work at it constantly, you have to think about sex all the damn time.
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Post by Jedi Knight on Jun 25, 2009 13:31:33 GMT -5
I think you're right, Vene. For just the reasons you mention, the self-proclaimed Morality Police seems obsessed with sex. If sex is the only thing you're looking for, you'll see it everywhere.
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Post by Caitshidhe on Jun 25, 2009 14:00:42 GMT -5
Sex is used to sell EVERYTHING, I agree, DV. It's dumb. I don't like it. I roll my eyes at it. But Americans are still prudish.
Vene: You're right. The more you're told NOT to do or think of something, the more you want to do it. When it's forbidden, IT'S AMAZING.
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Post by The_L on Jun 25, 2009 14:17:34 GMT -5
And we're also not giving kids and teenagers any space as a society to not be sexual if they don't want to be. While sex is natural, etc. etc., kids have a hard enough time developing into their sexuality without having images of what sex is "really" all about shoved in their faces constantly. They're under a lot of pressure as far as sex goes from a lot of different places. THIS. I had sex before I was ready because I felt pressured to do so, but didn't use protection because it was a "sin." Mixed messages can lead to some seriously fucked-up thinking, especially when they combine to imply that failure is the only option. Man, I didn't even think about that aspect of things until I read this post.
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Post by Lady Renae on Jun 25, 2009 15:17:36 GMT -5
It's a problem both of prudishness and of consumerism. Yes, we need to stop tying everything to sex, but here's the other portion: if people aren't ashamed of something, they talk about it. If we as a country STOP convincing everyone that sex and the human body are things to be mocked, hidden, and made into objects of shame, people will talk about it. The more people talk, the more educated everyone gets, and the less power it has over us.
Fact of the matter is, if people were actually educated about their bodies and sexuality and didn't see them as things to be kept secret all the time, that kind of advertising wouldn't hold nearly as much sway to begin with.
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Post by dantesvirgil on Jun 25, 2009 17:00:22 GMT -5
Also, people, wanting a de-sexualized space is NOT the same thing as being a "prude."
There is a severe prude problem in America.
But it's also a problem that there are very few de-sexualized spaces in America, as well. Even if a teenager isn't being actively encouraged to have sex, they're being encouraged to look sexual or choose things that convey sexuality. There are few "neutral" zones, and I think that's a shame -- not because I'm a prude, but because I think there's more to life than sex and looking for sex and looking sexy.
Not to mention that even if there were no prudishness in America, there is a certain kind of sexuality that is being promoted, and it looks a certain way. That's why Dove's True Beauty campaign (or whatever it was called) was supposed to be so "ground breaking".
It's not just about sex -- it's about a certain kind of sex done by certain kinds of people. The people have to look a certain way and good luck portraying anything other than heterosexual activity with a mild kink in it. So it's not just about selling sex to kids -- it's about conveying that women need to look a certain way to be sexually desirable (ditto for men).
It's more complicated than saying if we got rid of all the prudes such advertising wouldn't be a problem.
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Post by Vene on Jun 25, 2009 17:06:15 GMT -5
Also, people, wanting a de-sexualized space is NOT the same thing as being a "prude." Not saying it is, my example picked two extremes. No, there'd still be issues, but I do think that it would help the problem.
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Post by dantesvirgil on Jun 25, 2009 17:25:53 GMT -5
^^ I get that on both counts.
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Post by Lady Renae on Jun 25, 2009 17:29:03 GMT -5
Also, people, wanting a de-sexualized space is NOT the same thing as being a "prude." Granted, and I thought I was saying something different. I apologize if I gave the wrong impression. My definition of a prude is someone who turns the human body and human sexuality into objects of shame and humiliation that should be avoided at all costs and treated with disdain. You are right that things need to be less sexualized in general, but I have no great words of wisdom on that front.
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