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Post by HarleyThomas1002 on Jun 25, 2009 17:42:29 GMT -5
I've actually started wondering what the hell does a three or fourway have to do with selling jeans. It would make more sense if they just had an ad featuring a bare ass and a pair of arms puling a pair of Calvin Klein jeans up with the logo on the jeans visible. You're still using sex to sell your product (depending on whose ass is being used) and you're still advertizing. And it makes more sense.
Then again, what do I know? Exactly. NOTHING!
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Post by dantesvirgil on Jun 25, 2009 20:11:19 GMT -5
Also, people, wanting a de-sexualized space is NOT the same thing as being a "prude." Granted, and I thought I was saying something different. I apologize if I gave the wrong impression. My definition of a prude is someone who turns the human body and human sexuality into objects of shame and humiliation that should be avoided at all costs and treated with disdain. You are right that things need to be less sexualized in general, but I have no great words of wisdom on that front. Also granted. It just seemed like there was too much of a push toward a binary of prude -----> completely open and comfortable with sex, as in one or the other. There needs to be the neutral zone of de-sexed spaces, especially for people who are struggling to figure that out. Also, Harley, why do you think they used the 3 way to sell jeans? They didn't spend a shit-ton of money for no reason...
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Post by Thejebusfire on Jun 25, 2009 20:40:03 GMT -5
I've actually started wondering what the hell does a three or fourway have to do with selling jeans. It would make more sense if they just had an ad featuring a bare ass and a pair of arms puling a pair of Calvin Klein jeans up with the logo on the jeans visible. You're still using sex to sell your product (depending on whose ass is being used) and you're still advertizing. And it makes more sense. Then again, what do I know? Exactly. NOTHING! QFT
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jun 25, 2009 21:44:02 GMT -5
Also, hypersexualized ads can be quite polarizing. For your average straight male, seeing a D-Cup woman humping a guy wearing that brand of jeans is quite attractive.
For your average gay male, seeing the same thing just reminds you about how "inferior" (in regards to society) you are and alienates you from the product.
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Post by dantesvirgil on Jun 25, 2009 21:59:20 GMT -5
^^ Exalt.
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Post by Lady Renae on Jun 25, 2009 22:07:11 GMT -5
See? We do need to bring the exalt function back. People like and use it. Feh. /derail
Personally, most of what the ad companies try to push as attractive I find to be repulsive anyway. I mean, really... eat a fucking sandwich and put down those damn barbells on occasion!!! Women are not made of skin, bones, and tits, and men are not supposed to feel like statues when you hug them!
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Post by Thejebusfire on Jun 26, 2009 0:40:33 GMT -5
See? We do need to bring the exalt function back. People like and use it. Feh. /derail Personally, most of what the ad companies try to push as attractive I find to be repulsive anyway. I mean, really... eat a fucking sandwich and put down those damn barbells on occasion!!! Women are not made of skin, bones, and tits, and men are not supposed to feel like statues when you hug them! I would exalt you right now if I could. That is so true.
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Post by wmdkitty on Jun 26, 2009 0:57:12 GMT -5
Personally, most of what the ad companies try to push as attractive I find to be repulsive anyway. I mean, really... eat a fucking sandwich and put down those damn barbells on occasion!!! Women are not made of skin, bones, and tits, and men are not supposed to feel like statues when you hug them! *ahem* THIS. Fuckin' THIS! People are supposed to be kinda squishy, ya know? When I hug ya, I don't want to feel like I might break you because you're all skin an' bones.
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Post by Akage on Jun 26, 2009 2:35:24 GMT -5
I completely agree with Lady Renae.
This is a bit off topic, but... When I worked in the fashion industry, however briefly, the pressure to fit into those tiny clothes caused me to stop eating until I dropped down a few sizes. Two months, I did this. There was a two week period when I could count the bites of food I had taken on one hand. My hair was falling out. And I got more attention from males than I have ever gotten before. To the point where I was bringing home maybe three phone numbers a day.
When it got to the point I couldn't justify skipping meals anymore (I was self-enabling using excuses like 'I'm stressed' or 'I can't afford lunch'), I pulled myself out of it. However, the damage has been done. There are days when I consider not eating, and there are days I catch myself praising the thought that I haven't had anything to eat. It's a constant mental battle. I'll choose something healthy over something delicious without a second thought-- and I'm nineteen goddamn years old.
I don't really consider myself a "weak willed" person, or even a "shallow" person. We've all been pressured by the media to look a certain way, and I doubt I'm the only one here who's skipped a meal. It's definitely not something I'm proud of, but I figure that I'd share my little personal experience, as I'm sure I'm not the only girl in America who's fallen victim.
But, I digress. What I'm trying to get at is, the media, and their portrayal of "beautiful", contributes to the problem of obesity in this country every bit as much as McDonald's. If not more so. Binge eating, dieting, falling into sugar relapses, binge eating, dieting... It's a sick circle. Look at the cover of any woman's magazine and, almost certainly, there will be a "Lose weight in 10 days!" sort of article right next to the model's bony ribcage. And yo-yo dieting makes you gain weight than just eating fistfuls of cake alone.
But, as others have said, it's an advertisement. It's designed to hold up to the "ideals" of society. Until our society changes the "ideals" and shifts the majority conception of "beauty" (likely not in our lifetime, if ever), this is inevitably going to remain a problem. Sex will always sell, and apparently CK will continue pushing the envelope.
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Post by Vene on Jun 26, 2009 2:55:28 GMT -5
*offers Akage cake* Because it is delicious and you are delicious and you are in no danger of gaining weight and even if you did I would still want to feel you up.
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Post by Akage on Jun 26, 2009 3:09:48 GMT -5
*offers Akage cake* Because it is delicious and you are delicious and you are in no danger of gaining weight and even if you did I would still want to feel you up. Boo, "attention" is not why I told that story. The media is fucked up, don't you understand?
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Post by erictheblue on Jun 26, 2009 6:26:51 GMT -5
People are supposed to be kinda squishy, ya know? When I hug ya, I don't want to feel like I might break you because you're all skin an' bones. I am not a small guy. I like to joke that if I went to bed with a woman society considers "beautiful," I would crush her to death. Plus, I don't like the feel of bones poking me when I hug someone. My girlfriend is, to be blunt, obese. She is also confident enough to wear tank tops and form-fitting pants. I think she is beautiful. (My dogs also love using her as a body pillow!)
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Post by dantesvirgil on Jun 26, 2009 8:29:53 GMT -5
*offers Akage cake* Because it is delicious and you are delicious and you are in no danger of gaining weight and even if you did I would still want to feel you up. Boo, "attention" is not why I told that story. The media is fucked up, don't you understand? I get it. (I think he was just trying to make you feel good, though.) I do a unit about this in class, usually in the fall. It amazes me, though, how many people your age are so quick to say it's not the media's fault, but then in their journals they turn in to me, all these girls are busy talking about skipping meals and the guys are talking about the pressure to be in the gym. Sigh. Where do they think the pressure comes from?
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Post by Lady Renae on Jun 26, 2009 11:57:43 GMT -5
I will be the first to admit that the concept of working out in the gym all muscled and sweaty and being able to bench press chicks with such ease that they throw their phone numbers and bra sizes at me (and possibly their underwear) is appealing.
It is not, however, realistic, and that's the problem.
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Post by ironbite on Jun 26, 2009 12:32:43 GMT -5
*offers Akage cake* Because it is delicious and you are delicious and you are in no danger of gaining weight and even if you did I would still want to feel you up. Boo, "attention" is not why I told that story. The media is fucked up, don't you understand? Except the cake is lie so you shouldn't have any. Ironbite-you should have pie(said with a perfectly straight face)
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