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Post by the sandman on Apr 5, 2010 19:32:16 GMT -5
That's 'cause snitches get stitches. It's that kind of fucking shit that is the reason our schools are now more like prisons than places of education. I hope to fuck you were joking.
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Post by Caitshidhe on Apr 5, 2010 19:37:57 GMT -5
It would be nice if he was being facetious, but he's not. If you snitch, they'll beat the ever-loving shit out of you.
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Post by ironbite on Apr 5, 2010 21:03:01 GMT -5
Which is just sad. Teachers try to encourage "snitching" but it just leads to more trouble for the "rat". This is a fact that really needs to change in our education system.
Ironbite-but it never will.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Apr 6, 2010 13:32:41 GMT -5
And it's also part of the reason kids don't want to talk to their parents about these issues.
1. The parent will try to do something, somehow forgetting the "snitches get stitches" bullshit that goes around in public schools
2. The bully gets detention or punishment is left up to the parent of the bully (which, I would imagine, most often results in one of two things: Either a slap on the wrist, or a beating, both of which do the opposite of what is intended)
3. The bully proceeds to beat the ever-loving shit out of the kid, because "snitches get stitches"
4. Kid learns his "lesson" and refuses to talk to his parents about what happened.
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Post by perv on Apr 6, 2010 23:12:29 GMT -5
That's 'cause snitches get stitches. It's that kind of fucking shit that is the reason our schools are now more like prisons than places of education. Are you sure it's not the other way around?
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Post by renaissanceblonde on Apr 7, 2010 3:24:53 GMT -5
I was bullied from day one at school. I snitched, developed a variety of sarcastic quips, told people who were (probably) just being nice to me to 'fuck off' when they said hello, cried, got depressed and nearly quit school, congratulated them on original insults, and generally developed a mild contempt for the average Australian.
I never got over it.
As for the desk scribbling thing, I hope she sues the pants of the NYPD.
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Post by tolpuddlemartyr on Apr 7, 2010 7:01:30 GMT -5
Do you have any idea why most schools maintain that policy Sky? It's because otherwise every physical altercation turns into a major investigation, something the school personnel are neither trained for nor have time for. Fight happens. Teachers intervene. They never see the beginning of the fight, so they grab Kid One and say "What happened?" Kid One says "He started it!" Kid Two says "No way! He started it!" Surrounding kids say "We don't know anything," sticking to the ever-present "NO SNITCH" rule found in schools, 'hoods, and prisons everywhere. Teachers have now opened Pandora's Box. As someone who is on the front line of all this I really do try to discourage bullying whenever I see it, but at the end of the day I'm not a cop. Also factor in this. * Teachers who bring disciplinary problems to administration can sometimes be regarded as being part of the problem because administration (vice principals, team leaders etc) don't want the extra legwork of dealing with pissed off parents. * Perversely a teacher who never reports any problems may be seen as a teacher who never has any problems but one who reports them up the ladder too often may be seen as a teacher whose class is out of their control. Go figure ! * Pissed off parents of bullying students can cause problems for teachers. Consider the following exchange, the names have been changed to protect the guilty. Mr Tol (reporting Anna Hatchet who belted a kid with a metre ruler). Mrs Hatchet (believes her daughter could do no wrong). Anna Hatchet (looks like the image of sweetness and light, when not belting other kids with metre rulers) Mr Tol: *Dials Mrs Hatchet's home telephone* Hello Mrs Hatchet, this is Mr Tol from Happyvale High how are you? Mrs Hatchet: (testily) I am well Mr Tol, and you? Mr Tol: I'm well. Unfortunately the reason for my call concerns Anna's behavior in class today. Mrs Hatchet: That's surprising, she's always very well behaved! Mr Tol: Well the thing is, she hit another girl with a ruler today and the girl had to be taken to sick bay. Mrs Hatchet (to daughter): Did you hit anyone today? Anna Hatchet (in background): Oh no Mummy, I'd never do anything like that! Mrs Hatchet: Why are you lying about my daughter you asshole? Mr Tol: I... Mrs Hatchet: You hate my daughter you pig, your always singling her out, her previous teacher never picked on her the way you do! Mr Tol: Ah... Mrs Hatchet: Well you can just FUCK OFF, you CHILD HATING ASSHOLE FAGGOT! *click* Whaddaya do? Factor in that not all bullying is easy to detect (cyber bullying is particularly hard to prove), often both parties will play fast and loose with the truth for their own reasons and hey, you are trying to teach them stuff and keep control of your class in the meantime. No small tasks those two! That said I have been able to make a difference in other situations where bullying was happening and make progress with even the most difficult of students. Those areas where I was most successful in stopping bullying had one single factor in common though. Small classes. In a small class (20 kids or under) bastardisation or bitchy behavior is harder to hide, you develop a better relationship with your students and because there's less of them in the room there is less "cliquishness". Fund your schools better you get happier kids and less bullying, not rocket science that.
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Post by canadian mojo on Apr 7, 2010 7:16:20 GMT -5
Fund your schools better you get happier kids and less bullying, not rocket science that. But kids don't vote, so why waste money making them happy? Particularly when we we can scare and con the parents into thinking that there is more important stuff to spend it on.
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Post by skyfire on Apr 7, 2010 7:48:18 GMT -5
Fund your schools better you get happier kids and less bullying, not rocket science that. But kids don't vote, so why waste money making them happy? Particularly when we we can scare and con the parents into thinking that there is more important stuff to spend it on. ...like football. I know that at the high school I went to, there was always money for the football team to do whatever the hell they wanted but virtually every other group or organization had to have a fundraiser if they wanted to do anything. In fact, aside from the auditorium the only expansion work done to the high school in the past 10 years was the addition of a massive sports complex. The city even public domain'd a house that was right next to the place in order to make room for more parking. Problem is, the school is at 3* capacity. We need another high school, period, but what money should be there for it keeps going to the football team. I mean, you can fucking see the logos on the football stadium from space (seriously - use Google Earth and go look at the football field).
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Post by shadowpanther on Apr 7, 2010 7:50:32 GMT -5
That's just fucking ridiculous. I knew High School football was SERIOUS BUSINESS over there but I didn't think it was that SERIOUS.
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Post by skyfire on Apr 7, 2010 8:10:29 GMT -5
That's just fucking ridiculous. I knew High School football was SERIOUS BUSINESS over there but I didn't think it was that SERIOUS. Football = money + pride. Even at the high school and college levels, athletics can be big business. Between ticket sales, concessions, and licensing agreements / arrangements, simply having a team - especially if the team plays a popular sport like football, baseball, or basketball - can be serious money. In fact, some colleges actually exist in part because the profit they make off of their sports teams helps fund other aspects of the facility. Furthermore, for at least a good century now playing sports has been linked with pride. Athletes, even those who suck, are hailed as being above and beyond the rest. They're usually the most popular kids in school, and all too often special allowances are made for them so that they don't get into trouble or have to be otherwise "distracted" from practice. Remember the whole stereotype about football players being inherently idiotic? That's not all that far from the truth. For many players, all the time spent at practice cuts into the time they have available for their studies. On top of that, some school districts used to fast-track their football players into classes that weren't as academically intense so that they could keep their grades up. For example, when my mom was in high school, she had the misfortune of spending senior English in class with all the football players; after the players horribly mangled Romeo & Juliet, the teacher just gave up and started handing out third-grade workbooks. Crap like this is why "No Pass, No Play" came into effect: a law had to be put in place in order to ensure that those in athletics and other such extra-curricular activities were not only keeping their grades up but also studying material on par with their peers. Making matters even worse is the fact that far too many parents live vicariously through their children. The more successful their children are, the more bragging rights they have. The kids themselves might actually hate what they're doing, but the parents don't give a damn; it's all about what makes the family itself look good. This is why you'll see parents hyper-load their kids down to such an extent that they no longer have any free time in the day: either the parents think it's somehow "good" for the kid to give them a stress ulcer or the parents want to be able to show their kid off to the neighbors. Still worse is the fact that a lot of kids have this notion that they'll go on to be epic sports heroes and wind up with multi-million dollar contracts, and so don't give a damn about the academic side of the house. They don't realize that the odds of even getting a college scholarship off of athletics are poor (maybe 10%, if at that), and that the odds of them being able to go pro are astronomical (maybe 1%, if at that); and even if they do go pro, some sports - like football - are so physically brutal that the average player might only last a few seasons. Their obsession thus winds up screwing them over for life unless they can bring it together and get an education somewhere along the way; even being a coach requires more than just having played the game a while. I understand the importance of having athletics and PE in school, and also realize that as a nation we need to be more active. But what's going on nowadays is just fucking ridiculous. There's no excuse for it.
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Post by shadowpanther on Apr 7, 2010 8:19:03 GMT -5
Well I can't really speak for the rest of the UK but up north where I'm from there's not so much focus on football (Soccer if you must!) at school level bar the head of PE reading out the team's results over the tannoy. All the teacher's I've known don't give a shit about athletes so heaven help you if you try that as an excuse for missing homework.
That said, outside of school I think my town has maybe three clubs who play in leagues. And we're not really that big a town. I'm given to believe they cost a bloody arm and a leg if you join though and they're still forever throwing fund-raisers.
By comparison, my cricket team only costs me £20 subs and £2 for a nets session throughout the season and they only started charging for nets practice last year.
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Post by skyfire on Apr 7, 2010 8:54:46 GMT -5
Well I can't really speak for the rest of the UK but up north where I'm from there's not so much focus on football (Soccer if you must!) at school level bar the head of PE reading out the team's results over the tannoy. All the teacher's I've known don't give a shit about athletes so heaven help you if you try that as an excuse for missing homework. That said, outside of school I think my town has maybe three clubs who play in leagues. And we're not really that big a town. I'm given to believe they cost a bloody arm and a leg if you join though and they're still forever throwing fund-raisers. By comparison, my cricket team only costs me £20 subs and £2 for a nets session throughout the season and they only started charging for nets practice last year. Business Week article on the amount of money college basketball coaches sometimes make.
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Post by safaraz on Apr 7, 2010 11:17:38 GMT -5
Well I can't really speak for the rest of the UK but up north where I'm from there's not so much focus on football (Soccer if you must!) at school level bar the head of PE reading out the team's results over the tannoy. All the teacher's I've known don't give a shit about athletes so heaven help you if you try that as an excuse for missing homework. To be honest, in England we go too far the other way, and don't put anywhere near enough time and money into sports at school. What with the national curriculum first, and then the numeracy and literacy hours on top of that the amount of time in the week that can be spent doing exercise in school is stupidly small. And we then wonder why England keeps failing at international sports events and have a huge childhood and teenage obesity problem.
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Post by Vene on Apr 7, 2010 12:26:21 GMT -5
Well I can't really speak for the rest of the UK but up north where I'm from there's not so much focus on football (Soccer if you must!) at school level bar the head of PE reading out the team's results over the tannoy. All the teacher's I've known don't give a shit about athletes so heaven help you if you try that as an excuse for missing homework. To be honest, in England we go too far the other way, and don't put anywhere near enough time and money into sports at school. What with the national curriculum first, and then the numeracy and literacy hours on top of that the amount of time in the week that can be spent doing exercise in school is stupidly small. And we then wonder why England keeps failing at international sports events and have a huge childhood and teenage obesity problem. Here in the states we put huge emphasis on sports, but have worse obesity rates. I'm not sure there's really a connection. Also, graph time.
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