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Post by Mira on May 12, 2010 15:47:46 GMT -5
Mice? Fucking mice? Rats are smarter than fucking mice, and there's no way I'd call them second most intelligent species.
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Post by Vene on May 12, 2010 15:57:39 GMT -5
Mice? Fucking mice? Rats are smarter than fucking mice, and there's no way I'd call them second most intelligent species. |
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Post by Mira on May 12, 2010 16:01:23 GMT -5
Dammit, I should have known.
Also, I'm on it!
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Post by big_electron on May 12, 2010 16:06:07 GMT -5
Chimpanzees need to learn etiquette. Learn to butcher. Don't bring live monkey to dinner table, and rip it apart right there.
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Post by Old Viking on May 12, 2010 16:35:46 GMT -5
Animals deserve more respect than to be saddled with such a designation.
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Post by cagnazzo on May 12, 2010 21:17:34 GMT -5
I have long been of the opinion that the more arbitrary cruelty a species metes out, the smarter it is.
The listing goes humans -> other great apes -> dolphins -> other things. I think the scale works.
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on May 12, 2010 21:32:14 GMT -5
I've always believed that, too.
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Post by Tiger on May 12, 2010 22:51:43 GMT -5
I haven't thought of that before, but it makes sense. Cruelty requires just as much, if not more, empathy as compassion does, which is generally a hallmark of more intelligent species.
I don't think your progression works, though. I know that chimps can be violent and even fight wars, but most of the other great apes are rather laid back - bonobos are more likely to have sex with their enemies than fight them and gorillas, I believe, are more peaceful than humans. I propose this alternative: humans -> chimps -> dolphins -> other apes -> other things -> jellyfish
Possibly chimps and dolphins could be switched. The 'wars' chimps fight might actually have some benefit, making them non-arbitrary, unlike dolphins' tendency to brutalize baby porpoises for no reason. And they don't eat them, like chimps do with human babies, they just kill them for what for all intents and purposes is sport.
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Post by Mira on May 12, 2010 22:58:52 GMT -5
Don't underestimate the sea jellies.
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on May 12, 2010 23:05:27 GMT -5
Yeah, dolphins are bastards. They kill for apparently what amounts to shits and giggles.
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Post by Thejebusfire on May 12, 2010 23:08:33 GMT -5
Dolphins are like the underwater mafia.
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Post by Vene on May 13, 2010 0:05:40 GMT -5
Don't forget the rape.
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Post by Thejebusfire on May 13, 2010 0:34:26 GMT -5
See? That just proves my point that dolphins are fucking gangster.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on May 13, 2010 0:41:37 GMT -5
Kidnapping and gang-raping young females, to be more precise.Not that rape isn't common in the animal kingdom, but apparently dolphins do it because they're vindictive pricks. It would kind of suck if you're were swept out to sea, trying to stay above water, and you spot a herd of dolphins who you think are coming to save you... only to have them gang rape you as you slowly drown.
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Post by Art Vandelay on May 13, 2010 1:43:04 GMT -5
Well, when it comes to deciding what species an animal is, things such as genetics, evolutionary history and physiology tend to trump emotional psuedo-hippy tripe (like whether or not certain behaviors superficially appear similar to our own). So no, dolphins and (non-human) apes are not people. If a company can legally obtain personhood, I don't think that genetics has anything to do with it. Citizenship=/=personhood. Similarly legal=/=scientific. |
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