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Post by Vene on May 13, 2010 1:53:23 GMT -5
Personhood is not a scientific term (and over here when you get your company incorporated it becomes a legal person, not citizen, person). And I don't know why you're bringing in citizenship, that wasn't mentioned until now.
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Post by Art Vandelay on May 13, 2010 1:58:25 GMT -5
AFAIK corporations are recognised as citizens, not nessecarily members of the human race.
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Post by Vene on May 13, 2010 2:16:28 GMT -5
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Post by Yaezakura on May 13, 2010 3:45:45 GMT -5
Just kind of wondering... if dolphins or apes are suddenly people, and they kill another dolphin or ape, are they legally liable? Would we have to arrest them and charge them with murder and put them in jail?
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Post by big_electron on May 13, 2010 4:00:40 GMT -5
Just kind of wondering... if dolphins or apes are suddenly people, and they kill another dolphin or ape, are they legally liable? Would we have to arrest them and charge them with murder and put them in jail? They would need to be tried by a dolphin court, chimp court... ...anything else would be a kangaroo court! EDIT to add smartass conclusion.
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Post by big_electron on May 13, 2010 4:19:33 GMT -5
On the note of rape, orangutans have been known to rape human women.
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Post by Tiberius on May 13, 2010 11:44:06 GMT -5
On the note of rape, orangutans have been known to rape human women. Only because they were wearing suggestive clothing! X3
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Post by katz on May 13, 2010 12:28:32 GMT -5
Dolphins are a bit too fucking smart for sea animals, imo. What exactly are they contending with that they have to be that intelligent? Alright, I guess sharks have been shown to be fairly smart, but still...
Although I recently saw a P&T Bullshit episode that gave some evidence that dolphins may not be quite as smart as they seem, but the main focus of the show was around mocking all the hippy shit surrounding the animal (like a company that offered dolphin-assisted birthing).
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Post by Vene on May 13, 2010 12:58:21 GMT -5
Dolphins are a bit too fucking smart for sea animals, imo. What exactly are they contending with that they have to be that intelligent? Alright, I guess sharks have been shown to be fairly smart, but still... Although I recently saw a P&T Bullshit episode that gave some evidence that dolphins may not be quite as smart as they seem, but the main focus of the show was around mocking all the hippy shit surrounding the animal (like a company that offered dolphin-assisted birthing). A lot of the reason they have intelligence is because they're predatory pack animals. Predators tend to have greater intelligence than prey and having a social group does a lot to put selection pressure on intelligence (unless the social group is filled with drones).
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Post by Tiger on May 13, 2010 13:53:26 GMT -5
Dolphins are a bit too fucking smart for sea animals, imo. What exactly are they contending with that they have to be that intelligent? Alright, I guess sharks have been shown to be fairly smart, but still... Sharks are smart? I was under the impression that they were so stupid that their brains were practically vestigial.
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Post by cagnazzo on May 13, 2010 14:18:55 GMT -5
Sharks are extremely stupid, but very efficient at what they do. Dolphins have to be smart to make up the fact that they aren't physically as good at hunting and such.
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Post by Vene on May 13, 2010 14:28:09 GMT -5
Sharks are extremely stupid, but very efficient at what they do. Dolphins have to be smart to make up the fact that they aren't physically as good at hunting and such. You don't have to be smart when you're stronger and faster than everything else and when all you have to do is bite until the food like object dies.
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Post by cagnazzo on May 13, 2010 14:54:16 GMT -5
Yes. Sometimes intelligence doesn't really matter. As very fast, solitary creatures that have multiple rows of teeth and can sense heartbeats by their electrical signature, sharks really don't have a whole lot of reason to be intelligent.
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Post by cagnazzo on May 13, 2010 14:56:04 GMT -5
I should mention that those samples are extinct, but even living sharks are fast, solitary predators that deal with hunting in 3D space. So the most complicated tactic they need is "swim in a straight line towards future food."
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Post by Tiger on May 13, 2010 15:37:53 GMT -5
I should mention that those samples are extinct, but even living sharks are fast, solitary predators that deal with hunting in 3D space. So the most complicated tactic they need is "swim in a straight line towards future food." They do also use bump-and-bite attacks where they circle their prey and bump into it before attacking. I think that's more them trying to puzzle out whether or not it's food than a hunting tactic, though.
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