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Post by kristine on Jul 9, 2010 9:36:48 GMT -5
Nixon was also an asshole...and many in the counter culture knew it.
but, yes, he didn't tank the economy and start 2 wars, so W still wins for worst ever...
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Post by malicious_bloke on Jul 9, 2010 9:40:18 GMT -5
Now it's been struck down, will it become more powerful than you can possibly imagine?
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Post by scienceisgreen on Jul 9, 2010 11:23:04 GMT -5
Now it's been struck down, will it become more powerful than you can possibly imagine? No, it goes down like the rest of the storm trooper fodder
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Jul 9, 2010 11:38:31 GMT -5
Nixon was hardly a good president but he was nowhere near as bad as Bush. What about Robot Nixon?
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Post by goonerboy on Jul 10, 2010 20:28:43 GMT -5
Does this mean gay marriage is now legal across the USA?
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Post by Vene on Jul 10, 2010 20:36:12 GMT -5
Does this mean gay marriage is now legal across the USA? No. It means that gay couples in Massachusetts can be treated like any other married couple with respect to federal law. It does nothing for any other state and it doesn't require other states to acknowledge same sex marriages performed in Massachusetts. But, it does set precedent and is a ruling other courts can use to base future decisions upon (assuming that it's not appealed, which could change things completely).
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Post by goonerboy on Jul 10, 2010 20:51:38 GMT -5
Ah yes, I did get that once I read the thread through. Somebody did mention other states though that seemed to be, from my limited knowledge of US geography, New England?
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Post by cestlefun17 on Jul 10, 2010 21:29:26 GMT -5
This decision was rendered in U.S. District Court and so it only applies to Massachusetts. If it is appealed to the 1st Circuit and the 1st Circuit upholds the ruling, then it will expand its effect to New Hampshire, which also allows same-sex couples to marry. It would not legalize same-sex marriage in Maine, Rhode Island, or Puerto Rico, but would require the federal government to recognize same-sex marriages performed there if or when same-sex marriage is legalized in those jurisdictions.
Vermont, Connecticut, Iowa, and the District of Colombia also allow same-sex couples to marry but are not in the 1st Circuit. This current case would only affect them if it is further appealed after the 1st Circuit to the Supreme Court, which sets precedent on the entire country.
The decision goes into effect on July 22 unless a stay is issued pending an appeal.
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Post by Oriet on Jul 10, 2010 21:40:52 GMT -5
New England is not a state, it's a region consisting of many states. Regions, however, are very poorly defined have no legal standing that I know of. To illustrate: Here is a map showing the different states: MapHere are some maps showing regions: Region Map 1Region Map 2Region Map 3[ETA] Ah yes, then there's the court circuits, which are different from the maps above and do have meaning. A map of them can be seen here.
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Post by cestlefun17 on Jul 10, 2010 21:55:17 GMT -5
Here is a better link: www.uscourts.gov/court_locator.aspxThe map of the Circuit Courts you linked to incorrectly puts Rhode Island in the 2nd Circuit when it is actually in the 1st Circuit. Also, it omits the territories, DC, and the Federal Circuit.
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Post by Oriet on Jul 10, 2010 22:15:58 GMT -5
Oh, thanks for providing a better link then. I didn't catch that my link was bad as I don't know that much about it.
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Post by cestlefun17 on Jul 21, 2010 13:16:30 GMT -5
Any word on an appeal? I haven't been able to find anything saying that the Justice Department will or will not be appealing this case. They only have hours to make a decision as the ruling goes into effect at midnight tonight.
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Post by erictheblue on Jul 21, 2010 19:10:14 GMT -5
Vermont, Connecticut, Iowa, and the District of Colombia also allow same-sex couples to marry but are not in the 1st Circuit. This current case would only affect them if it is further appealed after the 1st Circuit to the Supreme Court, which sets precedent on the entire country. However, if the 1st Circuit does uphold and same-sex couples in one of those states files a similar suit, the 1st Circuit ruling would be considered "influential." Basically that means that the ruling would not be binding, but another Circuit is more likely to rule the same as the 1st Circuit, simply because courts like to play "Follow the Leader." Although honestly, I strongly suspect this case will get appealed to the USSC, and I strongly suspect the USSC will decide to hear it.
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Post by cestlefun17 on Jul 21, 2010 20:59:58 GMT -5
The Justice Department has two more hours to file an appeal, and as it is now 10:00PM in Massachusetts...I suspect it is too late to do this now. The ruling goes into effect at midnight.
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Post by Phys on Jul 21, 2010 22:00:57 GMT -5
I wonder if the decision not to appeal was political, since is SCOTUS had overturned DOMA anti-gay-marriage campaigners would be afar more vocal about it, and would attack the presidency and the democratic party over the makeup of the court.There are mid-terms this year, and if the case was appealed, the decision might come at an inopportune moment, possibly causing a small swing against the Dems.
I don't know if that would be an issue in any marginal districts, but it might make a difference to the senate vote.
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