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Post by lighthorseman on Aug 7, 2011 0:53:28 GMT -5
If you want to learn about Jesus you have all day Sunday. Is it wrong to give kids more opportunities to learn?
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Post by Art Vandelay on Aug 7, 2011 1:14:00 GMT -5
If you want to learn about Jesus you have all day Sunday. Is it wrong to give kids more opportunities to learn? Yeah, seriously. I for one am outraged that schools aren't teaching kids about Star Trek and Harry Potter!
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Post by tolpuddlemartyr on Aug 7, 2011 1:21:02 GMT -5
You think athiest kids who WANTED to stay would not be allowed to? Of course atheist kids don't want some glassy-eyed freak from the local evangelist ministry bleating at them about Jesus, but it does stigmatize them when you say those, er, other kids leave the room and wait in the hall! As for wasting valuable time, unless things have changed markedly in the interim, when I was at a public school, such events happened about once a semester. I'd say sports afternoons were a far more significant waste of "valuable time". Cutting class and driving my carless friends to Maccas probably even more so. Things have changed markedly that's the point, a certain John Howard became our prime minister and foisted school chaplains on a generation. Two Labor PM's that followed were predictably too gutless to take them away. The parents of the atheist kids wouldn't be complaining as much if this farce only happened once a semester, the article makes that perfectly clear! Is it wrong to give kids more opportunities to learn? Now you're just taking the piss. Being told by a bunch of glassy eyed Jebus freaks how Gawd loves them on the taxpayers dollar does not make for "opportunities to learn".
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Post by lighthorseman on Aug 7, 2011 1:43:34 GMT -5
You think athiest kids who WANTED to stay would not be allowed to? Of course atheist kids don't want some glassy-eyed freak from the local evangelist ministry bleating at them about Jesus, but it does stigmatize them when you say those, er, other kids leave the room and wait in the hall! Well thats a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't position, isn't it? I imagine you'd be equally incensed, if not more so, if athiest kids were forced to participate, right?Sorry, I missed that part initially. Yes, once a week in a public school seems a bit excessive, if its always the same religion being taught. Does the straw man help? Really? I really don't see the issue. If athiest kids were forced to participate, then I would see a problem. If athiest kids were forced NOT to participate, I would see a problem. If other religious groups were not offered equal time and access to teach kids about their religious beliefs, I would see a problem. As it is? Not... really seeing the huge issue.
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Post by canadian mojo on Aug 7, 2011 1:47:08 GMT -5
Is it wrong to give kids more opportunities to learn? Now you're just taking the piss. Being told by a bunch of glassy eyed Jebus freaks how Gawd loves them on the taxpayers dollar does not make for "opportunities to learn". Well that saves me the bother of coming up with a suitable reply.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Aug 7, 2011 2:23:30 GMT -5
Well thats a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't position, isn't it? I imagine you'd be equally incensed, if not more so, if athiest kids were forced to participate, right? You're right, it is a damned if you do, damned if you don't position. Because they shouldn't bloody be teaching religion in public schools anyways!
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Post by lighthorseman on Aug 7, 2011 2:31:23 GMT -5
Well thats a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't position, isn't it? I imagine you'd be equally incensed, if not more so, if athiest kids were forced to participate, right? You're right, it is a damned if you do, damned if you don't position. Because they shouldn't bloody be teaching religion in public schools anyways! I think its good for kids who may not otherwise be exposed to other religious traditions to get a look at them. Maybe thats just me.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Aug 7, 2011 2:43:43 GMT -5
That's fine. If it's an elective course. With qualified teachers. And you can do something else productive or at least amusing with that time, should you choose not to.
This? This is none of those things.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Aug 7, 2011 2:45:05 GMT -5
You're right, it is a damned if you do, damned if you don't position. Because they shouldn't bloody be teaching religion in public schools anyways! I think its good for kids who may not otherwise be exposed to other religious traditions to get a look at them. Maybe thats just me. Sure, in history or literature classes and studied purely from an academic standpoint. Being preached to by some evangelical, on the other hand, not so much.
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Post by lighthorseman on Aug 7, 2011 2:50:49 GMT -5
That's fine. If it's an elective course. With qualified teachers. And you can do something else productive or at least amusing with that time, should you choose not to. This? This is none of those things. Aside from the qualified teachers bit, how is this not what you just described?
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Post by lighthorseman on Aug 7, 2011 2:51:33 GMT -5
I think its good for kids who may not otherwise be exposed to other religious traditions to get a look at them. Maybe thats just me. Sure, in history or literature classes and studied purely from an academic standpoint. Being preached to by some evangelical, on the other hand, not so much. I missed the part in the article where anyone is being preached to, actually.
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Post by tolpuddlemartyr on Aug 7, 2011 2:53:41 GMT -5
I really don't see the issue. I think you see the issue as clear as day, just as clearly as you enjoy playing the perverse, bloody-minded contrarian! But I don't doubt you still won't see the fucking issue!
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Aug 7, 2011 2:54:57 GMT -5
Dude. The first post. Read it.
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Post by DarkfireTaimatsu on Aug 7, 2011 2:55:53 GMT -5
I remember we had some lessons about religion. It was part of a very small unit in World History for Social Studies class. Among it, we staged a mock Hindu wedding.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Aug 7, 2011 3:23:36 GMT -5
Sure, in history or literature classes and studied purely from an academic standpoint. Being preached to by some evangelical, on the other hand, not so much. I missed the part in the article where anyone is being preached to, actually. The religion is taught as though it's factual, so yes, it is preaching.
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