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Post by lighthorseman on Oct 27, 2011 4:25:46 GMT -5
And what crimes have the Occupy people committed? None, as far as I know. But that's probably because you aren't a police officer. To a great many police, any suggestion of a lack of respect for their authority IS a crime. If you have a few hours to kill, and are feeling brave, next time you get pulled over for an RBT, rather than sitting passively in your car, get out and stand next to it. Be polite, be co-operative... but the simple act of getting out of your car will make police percieve you as a threatening unknown, and just watch how fast their attitude towards you changes. |
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Post by Distind on Oct 27, 2011 5:02:40 GMT -5
What crimes have the OWS people committed? I'd really like to know this. With smoking weed and rape, those are definable crimes. The right to peaceable assembly (which is 99% of what's going on in the OWS) isn't breaking the law, it's in fact following the law. Aside from disturbing the peace, any number of vagrancy laws, harassment and those nice stories of more serious crimes floating around? You've got to face something here, if you're protesting, there is some law that can be used to evict you eventually. the simple act of getting out of your car will make police percieve you as a threatening unknown, and just watch how fast their attitude towards you changes. This includes if they happen to be blocking your driveway at the time. Though I believe they'd have been less happy if I'd just driven on through. |
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Post by largeham on Oct 27, 2011 5:14:42 GMT -5
There's always vagrancy or loitering. And the ever useful 'disturbing the peace'.
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Post by lighthorseman on Oct 27, 2011 5:48:42 GMT -5
There's always vagrancy or loitering. And the ever useful 'disturbing the peace'. And intent to conspire, or conspiring with intent. |
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Post by aboveathletics on Oct 27, 2011 7:53:57 GMT -5
You'd totally be this outraged if this was the Tea Party or a Pro Life group... Pro-lifers are often terrorists, wheras OWS are non-violent. So yu can imagine circumstances where it would be acceptable to treat a group with a history of violence somewhat rougher than a bunch of liberals* in tents. Using gas would be, of course, a last resort- or should be. * OWS are mostly liberals, the opposite of Marxists. So you are going to be suspicious of an entire group based on a few "isolated incidences" of violence? Interesting... |
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Post by Yla on Oct 27, 2011 8:02:16 GMT -5
Pro-lifers are often terrorists What a delightfully generalizing and slanderous statement... |
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Post by dasfuchs on Oct 27, 2011 11:10:49 GMT -5
Pro-lifers are often terrorists, wheras OWS are non-violent. So yu can imagine circumstances where it would be acceptable to treat a group with a history of violence somewhat rougher than a bunch of liberals* in tents. Using gas would be, of course, a last resort- or should be. * OWS are mostly liberals, the opposite of Marxists. So you are going to be suspicious of an entire group based on a few "isolated incidences" of violence? Interesting... The king of broad brushing got you here Fred. As far as the OWS approval numbers, they should be high, they reflect on a large part of the population, basically anyone that's been fucked by some dumbass on the upper rungs of the ladder while they take rewards for being dumb. |
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Post by dasfuchs on Oct 27, 2011 11:14:37 GMT -5
And what crimes have the Occupy people committed? None, as far as I know. But that's probably because you aren't a police officer. To a great many police, any suggestion of a lack of respect for their authority IS a crime. If you have a few hours to kill, and are feeling brave, next time you get pulled over for an RBT, rather than sitting passively in your car, get out and stand next to it. Be polite, be co-operative... but the simple act of getting out of your car will make police percieve you as a threatening unknown, and just watch how fast their attitude towards you changes. That's because traffic stops often have the chance to turn ugly in the perp's favor. You need to remember, while you don't plan on shooting a cop, nor do you expect him to shoot you, he doesn't know what your intentions are and they could honestly end his life quickly if he isn't ready. |
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Post by N. De Plume on Oct 27, 2011 11:40:31 GMT -5
That’s why the protocol is to stay in the car unless the cop that pulled you over asks you to get out.
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Post by scotsgit on Oct 27, 2011 18:01:02 GMT -5
Pro-lifers are often terrorists, wheras OWS are non-violent. So yu can imagine circumstances where it would be acceptable to treat a group with a history of violence somewhat rougher than a bunch of liberals* in tents. Using gas would be, of course, a last resort- or should be. * OWS are mostly liberals, the opposite of Marxists. So you are going to be suspicious of an entire group based on a few "isolated incidences" of violence? Interesting... Whyever not? That seems to be your attitude towards the Police. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Oct 27, 2011 19:35:33 GMT -5
So AA owned and got owned at the same time?
How amusing.
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Post by aboveathletics on Oct 27, 2011 21:59:44 GMT -5
So you are going to be suspicious of an entire group based on a few "isolated incidences" of violence? Interesting... Whyever not? That seems to be your attitude towards the Police. If pro-lifers were responsible for the deaths of untold millions of people in the 20th century alone, I might take you seriously. |
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Post by Thejebusfire on Oct 27, 2011 22:46:16 GMT -5
Police aren't nazis.
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Post by lighthorseman on Oct 27, 2011 22:50:42 GMT -5
He has a point, sorta... Stalin's purges, and the rounding up of Jews under the NAZI regime, and pretty much any other example you care to think of involving "the knock on the door in the dead of night" usually involves a police force, rather than a military force. Of course, police forces under totalitarian regimes are often quite paramilitary, and the distinction between the two becomes very blurred.
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Post by Kit Walker on Oct 27, 2011 23:27:45 GMT -5
He has a point, sorta... Stalin's purges, and the rounding up of Jews under the NAZI regime, and pretty much any other example you care to think of involving "the knock on the door in the dead of night" usually involves a police force, rather than a military force. Of course, police forces under totalitarian regimes are often quite paramilitary, and the distinction between the two becomes very blurred. And, of course, wholly useless. By that standard, bureaucrats have killed millions. |
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