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Post by priestling on Nov 3, 2011 22:38:42 GMT -5
My dad would put the assualting little shit up against the wall if that had happened at my high school... or my middle school, for that matter.
As the son of a teacher that got the hell beat out of them daily and nothing was done, I'm glad this punkass got arrested.
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Post by lighthorseman on Nov 3, 2011 23:12:09 GMT -5
LHM, are you trolling or what? Serious question. The school doesn't need to ask a student "Hey, do you want us to call the cops on the guy that is actively beating the shit out of you?" That's not how it works. You see someone beating the hell out of someone else and you call the fucking cops. What charges get filed are a different matter entirely. And three days suspension is fucking nothing. Not trolling at all. I'm not sure what you guys think the school should have done that they didn't do. Was the kid offered appropriate medical assistance? Was the incident over by the time school authorities found out? Unless there was a teacher standing there watching, there's not a whole lot of point in the school calling the cops after its all over. Again, its a police matter, not a school matter. The bully needs to be dealt with severely, but that is a legal matter, not a school one. As to the three day suspension, I don't any of us knows enough about that particular school's procedures to judge adequately. For my own experience, when I was at school, I don't think I ever had any classmates suspended (though a few were expelled) you'd get expelled for theft, cheating or drugs, but fighting, up to and including teeth knocked out and stitches, IIRC didn't rate so much as detention. Were it me, or my kid, that this happened too, I wouldn't even try to screw around with the school disciplinary system, I'd be pressing charges and filling civil damages so fast your head would spin. ETA: and then there's this...
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Post by priestling on Nov 3, 2011 23:18:16 GMT -5
*notes he re-blogged that on his tumblr... and it was promptly re-blogged by 173 people in ten minutes*
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Post by Vene on Nov 3, 2011 23:19:53 GMT -5
LHM, schools in the US have a duty to go to the police, by ignoring when people tell you this, it just makes you look stupid. This is why you need to be very, very careful when talking about a society when you are not personally a member.
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Post by lighthorseman on Nov 3, 2011 23:24:15 GMT -5
LHM, schools in the US have a duty to go to the police, by ignoring when people tell you this, it just makes you look stupid. This is why you need to be very, very careful when talking about a society when you are not personally a member. Explain that to me further... are you telling me that the school has to report an assault to police, regardless of the desire of the victim, and whether the victim has made a report outside of the school system? But even if that's the case, correct me if I'm wrong, but the school cannot press charges, itself, can it? Only the actual victim or the victim's legal guardian can do that, right? Sort of hope Eric the Blue stops by to perhaps clarify this.
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Nov 3, 2011 23:27:35 GMT -5
LHM, schools in the US have a duty to go to the police, by ignoring when people tell you this, it just makes you look stupid. This is why you need to be very, very careful when talking about a society when you are not personally a member. Explain that to me further... are you telling me that the school has to report an assault to police, regardless of the desire of the victim, and whether the victim has made a report outside of the school system? But even if that's the case, correct me if I'm wrong, but the school cannot press charges, itself, can it? Only the actual victim or the victim's legal guardian can do that, right? Sort of hope Eric the Blue stops by to perhaps clarify this. Yes, because the schools are seen as responsible if anyone gets hurt on campus when it could have been avoided. I don't see why anyone who just got the shit beaten out of them for being gay would want to just "let it all go". If someone beat me up I'd be raising hell until the school expelled the bully. (Unless, perhaps, the victim 1) is a masochist or 2) has Stockholm Syndrome.)
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Post by lighthorseman on Nov 3, 2011 23:30:38 GMT -5
Explain that to me further... are you telling me that the school has to report an assault to police, regardless of the desire of the victim, and whether the victim has made a report outside of the school system? But even if that's the case, correct me if I'm wrong, but the school cannot press charges, itself, can it? Only the actual victim or the victim's legal guardian can do that, right? Sort of hope Eric the Blue stops by to perhaps clarify this. Yes, because the schools are seen as responsible if anyone gets hurt on campus when it could have been avoided. I don't see why anyone who just got the shit beaten out of them for being gay would want to just "let it all go". If someone beat me up I'd be raising hell until the school expelled the bully. (Unless, perhaps, the victim 1) is a masochist or 2) has Stockholm Syndrome.) As would I. However, I don't presume to speak for everyone. A great many people don't want to pursue police action for any number of reasons. But anyway... so... lets say the school HAS called the police, then what would you expect to happen (assuming the victim is no longer on campus, having gone to the hospital)?
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 4, 2011 3:18:40 GMT -5
I would expect the police to investigate, and then make an arrest if necessary.
You know, do their job.
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Post by Distind on Nov 4, 2011 9:03:52 GMT -5
The bully seems to have been charged with assault. www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2011/11/03/attacks-spark-protest-of-bullying.htmlPersonally, I'm happy about this (The bully getting charged with assault, I mean). I'm happy that something is being done about it, and I'm very happy to see so much support going to the victim and his family. I just hope that this sticks and that the victim never has to deal with anything of this caliber ever again. Which is actually pretty impressive from where I'm sitting. And what should have happened given they actually had video of it. LHM, schools in the US have a duty to go to the police, by ignoring when people tell you this, it just makes you look stupid. This is why you need to be very, very careful when talking about a society when you are not personally a member. Really? Since when? I mean anything short of video in my school was generally treated as if everyone involved (including those who actively broke up the fight) was guilty of some random spat. Regardless of what actually happened. Largely because it's more or less impossible to figure out who did something unless there is video of the incident. I can run through plenty of incidents, including a few that I worked to my own advantage. Cops were never called, including an incident where I was stabbed, not with a knife, but I do still have the scar from it. It was left up to my parents if anyone wanted to press charges. So if we have any actual proof that the school should have handled such things I've got a lawsuit to file before it goes stale.
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Post by Vene on Nov 4, 2011 9:20:08 GMT -5
Distind, doing a really, really quick and dirty search I found this which at least shows that schools do have the responsibility to report certain crimes, but it may well be a regional thing. So I shall withdraw my claim.
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Post by brendanrizzo on Nov 4, 2011 9:31:52 GMT -5
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Post by Vene on Nov 4, 2011 9:36:09 GMT -5
Did you not see where I said "strictly?" I know of the singular "they" but there is also the plural "they" and it leads to ambiguity.
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Post by brendanrizzo on Nov 4, 2011 9:37:48 GMT -5
Did you not see where I said "strictly?" I know of the singular "they" but there is also the plural "they" and it leads to ambiguity. That doesn't mean that it's better to use a word with no proper etymology whatsoever and was created as a knee-jerk reaction to (perceived or actual) sexism in language when there is already a perfectly-good alternative in the language.
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Post by Vene on Nov 4, 2011 9:46:21 GMT -5
Did you not see where I said "strictly?" I know of the singular "they" but there is also the plural "they" and it leads to ambiguity. That doesn't mean that it's better to use a word with no proper etymology whatsoever and was created as a knee-jerk reaction to (perceived or actual) sexism in language when there is already a perfectly-good alternative in the language. It wasn't created as a response to sexism in language, it was created because there are people for whom the male-female binary does not apply and deserve a set of pronouns. And the ambiguity of "they" shows that it is not a "perfectly-good alternative" as it can hinder communication due to the listener not being able to distinguish between if the speaker is talking about a single person or many people. To use an example: "They're in Minneapolis." "Zie's in Minneapolis." How many people is the first statement talking about, and how about the second?
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Post by m52nickerson on Nov 4, 2011 10:06:27 GMT -5
It wasn't created as a response to sexism in language, it was created because there are people for whom the male-female binary does not apply and deserve a set of pronouns. And the ambiguity of "they" shows that it is not a "perfectly-good alternative" as it can hinder communication due to the listener not being able to distinguish between if the speaker is talking about a single person or many people. To use an example: "They're in Minneapolis." "Zie's in Minneapolis." How many people is the first statement talking about, and how about the second? ....and unless you are in the very small group who understand those new pronouns you will cause even more confusion. Besides, an example like you are giving is almost always going to have some context around it.
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