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Post by gotpwnt on May 12, 2009 14:13:26 GMT -5
I've seen this video, and from my own experiences thus far, I think I'm inclined to agree that an atheist and a Christian can't have a relationship. There was this girl who I thought I was interested in who had a pretty warped sense of humor (like mine) and I knew she was a Christian, and she did Gospel Choir and everything, but it wasn't a big deal. We had dinner once and went out for ice cream and stupid stuff like that, but she also said she was thinking of me while she read her Bible. This caused her to write John 15:5-6 on a hot pink index card and give it to me. I didn't think much of it--actually, if anything, it was kind of cute. Then she gave me two more verses from Ecclesiastes (1:9 and 1:18).....then another one from Matthew and one from 1Timothy and Romans and so on and so forth. On the back of the last card she wrote that she was just trying to "spread the word" with a little smiley face next to it. So I guess she doesn't actually like hanging out with me or talking to me--she just wants to convert me..... I'm an Athiest and I've had relationships with Christians and I never once had this problem...
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Post by peanutfan on May 12, 2009 14:17:46 GMT -5
Well, then, of course they weren't REAL Christians!
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Post by wmdkitty on May 12, 2009 22:54:18 GMT -5
I don't know how many Fundie arguments you've seen, but Fundies basically say anyone who isn't a True Christian which, in and of itself, basically means you believe the exact same things they do on every single issue, is worshipping Satan indirectly. So why do it in a roundabout way, then? If we *were* worshiping Satan -- which not even the Satanists do, as it's an atheistic lifestyle and philosophy -- wouldn't we want to do so simply and directly? And a global conspiracy is just, no, dude, organizing Satanists is like herding cats, we couldn't pull it off because we don't all agree with each other on, well, much of anything beyond the fact that the Statements, Rules, and Sins are our guide, and we are permitted *anything* we desire, fully accepting the consequences of our actions. (How, exactly a hedonistic, self-centered philosophy could be considered "worshiping Satan" is beyond me -- LaVey took that name (Satan) for the express purpose of differentiating *his* 'religion', if you will, from that of his Christian upbringing. (And I must thank his parents for being strict Breeders for Jesus -- if they hadn't fucked him up, we wouldn't have his brilliance and his madness, man. If we're all Satanists by default, why *shouldn't* we proudly take on the name, and live the Satanist lifestyle, while proving with word and deed that we're not the baby-eating, virgin-sacrificing, serial-killing bogeymen their preachers want them to believe we are.
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Post by Paradox on May 14, 2009 12:13:01 GMT -5
Mmmm. All this talk of succubi and incubi is getting me rather hot under the collar. *starts having thoughts of being in the middle of a succubus/incubus sandwich, but says no more, lest this thread get moved to NSFW territory*According to some traditions they can change sex at will. They collect semen while in succubus form, then turn into an incubus and use it to knock up women in their sleep. Why they do that I've never quite understood. I can only assume they infuse semen with evil, ensuring that the resulting progeny will be atheists or something. It was believed that satan could not create life himself, so needed to do things the roundabout way to have demonspawn. But I don't think they were necessarily evil, the wizard Merlin was said to be the child of an Incubus and a nun.
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Post by Paradox on May 14, 2009 14:04:27 GMT -5
I've seen this video, and from my own experiences thus far, I think I'm inclined to agree that an atheist and a Christian can't have a relationship. There was this girl who I thought I was interested in who had a pretty warped sense of humor (like mine) and I knew she was a Christian, and she did Gospel Choir and everything, but it wasn't a big deal. We had dinner once and went out for ice cream and stupid stuff like that, but she also said she was thinking of me while she read her Bible. This caused her to write John 15:5-6 on a hot pink index card and give it to me. I didn't think much of it--actually, if anything, it was kind of cute. Then she gave me two more verses from Ecclesiastes (1:9 and 1:18).....then another one from Matthew and one from 1Timothy and Romans and so on and so forth. On the back of the last card she wrote that she was just trying to "spread the word" with a little smiley face next to it. So I guess she doesn't actually like hanging out with me or talking to me--she just wants to convert me..... Fred Clark had an article on this a while back (are you tired of me talking about him yet?) The gist of it is this. Christians of that stripe are encouraged to proselytize everyone they know at every opportunity they get. I remember being taught that it takes an average of three people telling you about Jesus to make you convert (I have strong suspicions about which bodily orifice that statistic was pulled out of), and you don't know if you're the first or the third. Thus it is your duty to bug everyone around you about Jesus with no regard to your own pitiful mortal needs for things like friendship and knowing people who are willing to spend five fucking minutes around you without running away screaming. Worrying about what people think about you, well that's just not Christian. It's hard for people who haven't been on the inside to understand just what kind of pressure this is. The implication is that if you are not constantly bugging everyone you meet about Christ, you may become indirectly responsible for them being eternally damned to the unthinkable torments of hell. And it would be all your fault for wanting to know people who do not recoil from the very sight of you. That's a tough burden to lay on a child.
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Post by The_L on May 14, 2009 14:24:07 GMT -5
Mmmm. All this talk of succubi and incubi is getting me rather hot under the collar. *starts having thoughts of being in the middle of a succubus/incubus sandwich, but says no more, lest this thread get moved to NSFW territory*According to some traditions they can change sex at will. They collect semen while in succubus form, then turn into an incubus and use it to knock up women in their sleep. Why they do that I've never quite understood. I can only assume they infuse semen with evil, ensuring that the resulting progeny will be atheists or something. dam nmit, now I'm getting hot under the collar. The thought of sex with gender-bending daemons is just too much. *Ahem* Back on topic: I can't help wondering what ol' Pat would think of me and my boyfriend: Not long before we met, both of us were "good Christians" raised by "good Christian" parents. Now, I'm Wiccan and he's an agnostic. Oops!
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Post by perv on May 16, 2009 19:42:24 GMT -5
According to some traditions they can change sex at will. They collect semen while in succubus form, then turn into an incubus and use it to knock up women in their sleep. Why they do that I've never quite understood. I can only assume they infuse semen with evil, ensuring that the resulting progeny will be atheists or something. It was believed that satan could not create life himself, so needed to do things the roundabout way to have demonspawn. But I don't think they were necessarily evil, the wizard Merlin was said to be the child of an Incubus and a nun. Well the first part makes sense (I mean as much as can be expected) but I still don't see what good the demons get out of it. Didn't know that about Merlin, was it the normal for such children to become powerful people then? Perhaps the idea was to level the playing field between God and Earth a bit. dam nmit, now I'm getting hot under the collar. The thought of sex with gender-bending daemons is just too much. Mwahahaha!
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Post by NoLeafClover on May 16, 2009 19:54:01 GMT -5
I've seen this video, and from my own experiences thus far, I think I'm inclined to agree that an atheist and a Christian can't have a relationship. There was this girl who I thought I was interested in who had a pretty warped sense of humor (like mine) and I knew she was a Christian, and she did Gospel Choir and everything, but it wasn't a big deal. We had dinner once and went out for ice cream and stupid stuff like that, but she also said she was thinking of me while she read her Bible. This caused her to write John 15:5-6 on a hot pink index card and give it to me. I didn't think much of it--actually, if anything, it was kind of cute. Then she gave me two more verses from Ecclesiastes (1:9 and 1:18).....then another one from Matthew and one from 1Timothy and Romans and so on and so forth. On the back of the last card she wrote that she was just trying to "spread the word" with a little smiley face next to it. So I guess she doesn't actually like hanging out with me or talking to me--she just wants to convert me..... It's hard for people who haven't been on the inside to understand just what kind of pressure this is. The implication is that if you are not constantly bugging everyone you meet about Christ, you may become indirectly responsible for them being eternally damned to the unthinkable torments of hell. And it would be all your fault for wanting to know people who do not recoil from the very sight of you. That's a tough burden to lay on a child. Honestly, she might've really liked you, and might've been doing something that was a good thing in her heart and head. Maybe she thought she was just doing some gentle prodding--who knows? But I'm sure Christians and Atheist can have perfectly fine, normal relationships, as long as one person can respect the other persons beliefs (or lack there of).
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Post by Alexandria on May 16, 2009 22:07:17 GMT -5
He'd hate my satanist ex that's for sure.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on May 16, 2009 23:07:09 GMT -5
I don't know how many Fundie arguments you've seen, but Fundies basically say anyone who isn't a True Christian which, in and of itself, basically means you believe the exact same things they do on every single issue, is worshipping Satan indirectly. So why do it in a roundabout way, then? If we *were* worshiping Satan -- which not even the Satanists do, as it's an atheistic lifestyle and philosophy -- wouldn't we want to do so simply and directly? And a global conspiracy is just, no, dude, organizing Satanists is like herding cats, we couldn't pull it off because we don't all agree with each other on, well, much of anything beyond the fact that the Statements, Rules, and Sins are our guide, and we are permitted *anything* we desire, fully accepting the consequences of our actions. (How, exactly a hedonistic, self-centered philosophy could be considered "worshiping Satan" is beyond me -- LaVey took that name (Satan) for the express purpose of differentiating *his* 'religion', if you will, from that of his Christian upbringing. (And I must thank his parents for being strict Breeders for Jesus -- if they hadn't fucked him up, we wouldn't have his brilliance and his madness, man. If we're all Satanists by default, why *shouldn't* we proudly take on the name, and live the Satanist lifestyle, while proving with word and deed that we're not the baby-eating, virgin-sacrificing, serial-killing bogeymen their preachers want them to believe we are. Why the Hell are you asking me? Near as I can tell, unbelievers are seen as self-serving, and that connects back to Satan, somehow.
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Post by Thejebusfire on May 17, 2009 21:13:46 GMT -5
I wouldn't take advice on shopping for socks from Pat Robertson.
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Post by Vene on May 18, 2009 11:17:18 GMT -5
I consider Robertson a well meaning fool. Listen to what he says, then do the opposite. You'll be fine.
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Post by Paradox on May 19, 2009 1:08:09 GMT -5
I consider Robertson a well meaning fool. Listen to what he says, then do the opposite. You'll be fine. I have yet to be convinced about the well meaning part. The man is poisonous.
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