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Post by Oriet on Dec 24, 2011 11:22:12 GMT -5
What I find funny is the insistence that Mary was originally a virgin, as it simply isn't true. A quick look at the Greek text of the new testament quickly shows this, as the word used to describe her does not translate as virgin but rather to young woman. In light of this the whole argument that Mary couldn't have a connection to Isis because of a difference in virginity is just fucking silly and utterly pointless.
Seriously dude, if you're going to argue something, please have half a clue on the subject.
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Post by lexikon on Dec 24, 2011 22:11:38 GMT -5
Care to give us the word?
The Hebrew word in the old testament, almah, and Greek word parthenos CAN translate as virgin, so you're wrong there. Combined with the passages which state Jesus won't have a human father, yeah I'd say they likely meant a magical virgin birth. Maybe I'm wrong, but nobody insisted that Mary was a virgin.
Considering Horus and other deities don't have much in common with Jesus besides standard god tropes, it's pointless to argue this anyways.
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Post by mechtaur on Dec 26, 2011 1:40:51 GMT -5
Care to give us the word? The Hebrew word in the old testament, almah, and Greek word parthenos CAN translate as virgin, so you're wrong there. Combined with the passages which state Jesus won't have a human father, yeah I'd say they likely meant a magical virgin birth. Maybe I'm wrong, but nobody insisted that Mary was a virgin. Considering Horus and other deities don't have much in common with Jesus besides standard god tropes, it's pointless to argue this anyways. The word is indeed usually parthenos. However, it more commonly would translate into "young woman" at the time. This doesn't discount a translation to "virgin", but it is less likely.
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Post by Oriet on Dec 26, 2011 10:57:08 GMT -5
Looking it over again I admit I was wrong in that it can be translated to virgin, but like Mechtaur said the main translation is young woman. This is also of importance when in the story Mary goes along Joseph for the census (ignoring the fact that this part makes no sense, as even then you didn't go back to your place of birth for a census but instead were just counted in the city you currently lived), which means she had to have been married to him at the time; and marriages then did have that whole consummation requirement. Then, of course, is the whole issue of Jesus having siblings, and there being absolutely no mention of a previous wife (as you can bet your right testicle they would have been mentioned at Jesus' birth had they been around from that), a second wife, or a concubine, which means they must have burst out of Mary's chest popped out of Mary's womb, and since they are not also Mary and Yahweh's love-children, that means Joseph's semen must have entered her somehow (and they didn't exactly have in-vitro fertilisation then). So, it can definitely be concluded that Mary did not remain a virgin, but that it would be very improbable for her to have been come Jesus' birth. Even if she was a virgin when God impregnated her she couldn't have been at that point else she would still have been with her father and not Joseph. Oh, and Lexi... you might want to try remembering what you yourself posted. You are the one that was claiming there was no connection between Isis and Mary because of virginal status because Isis had had sex, therefore it was you you was arguing that Mary was indeed a virgin.
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Post by mechtaur on Dec 26, 2011 19:47:10 GMT -5
You know, now that I think about it, Yahweh has a right to be mad.
I mean, when is the last time you heard about Zeus knocking up some girl, but people thought she was still a virgin?
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Dec 26, 2011 19:56:18 GMT -5
You know, now that I think about it, Yahweh has a right to be mad. I mean, when is the last time you heard about Zeus knocking up some girl, but people thought she was still a virgin? ....OH! I get it!
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