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Post by katsuro on May 9, 2009 16:30:54 GMT -5
Can't believe there's not a thread about this movie already!
Anyways, yeah saw it on Friday and thought it was fantastic. Definitely the best Trek movie since First Contact...it might even be better than First Contact.
The cast for the most part do not look or sound anything like the original actors...but yet they're still great as those characters. They don't try to impersonate the old actors, but rather make the characters their own whilst staying true to the old versions of them. Zack Quinto deserves special mention. I thought from the very first day they announced his role that he'd make for a good Spock, and he does.
The only problem is the film, literally, destroys the canon and "history" of Star Trek. The plot of the film means that several episodes, and movies like #4, can't happen. But it's made clear that it's a deliberate decision - at one point one of the characters actually says something about this being a whole new time-line or words to that effect.
If you're a Trekkie you'll cum from all the fan service, references and in jokes (like Kirk sleeping with a green woman) but the very literal destruction of the canon that you loved might make you cry at the same time. I got past it by randomly deciding that these events created a new alternate reality in the multi-verse which exists parallel to the old canon lol. I'm not a Trekkie, I'm just sad enough to be one lol.
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Post by Vypernight on May 9, 2009 16:35:59 GMT -5
We're going Tuesday. I read about it on Wikipedia, and I'm not happy about parts of it. The messed-up timeline I can handle, but a few other parts I read will probably bother me if they turn out that way. I'll reserve judgment though until after I see it.
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Post by katsuro on May 9, 2009 16:41:01 GMT -5
the cannon destruction was the only bit I found to be a problem. It also doesn't feel like a Trek movie...but seriously that's probably a good thing lol.
If you can ignore those two things than this really is a good film you should go see. Obviously it's not perfect, but what is.
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Post by Vypernight on May 9, 2009 18:11:31 GMT -5
Well, all I know thus far is from I read at Wiki, so I could be way off. What bothers me is that Kirk becomes captain of the Enterprise so damn fast. He goes from getting kicked out of the academy to captain of the ship. I figured he command the ship for a short time, and then the movie would end with him getting a tatse of it, making him wanting to finish his training.
This just makes him skip any other role on this or any other ship. No moving up the ranks or serving on other vessels. He just jumps right into the captain's seat.
As I said, that's what I got from reading the Wiki so I could be way off. At the moment, that part bothers me more than the entire canon rift.
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Post by arcrow on May 9, 2009 18:20:08 GMT -5
Can't say I like any of the Trek show or movies. Kinda liked Enterprise till I watched the Cogenitor episode. Soured me on the whole show. Might watch the new movie once it comes to dvd.
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Post by katsuro on May 9, 2009 19:57:18 GMT -5
Well, all I know thus far is from I read at Wiki, so I could be way off. What bothers me is that Kirk becomes captain of the Enterprise so damn fast. He goes from getting kicked out of the academy to captain of the ship. I figured he command the ship for a short time, and then the movie would end with him getting a tatse of it, making him wanting to finish his training. He doesn't actually get kicked out of the Academy. Nor does he go straight to being Captain either. There are steps along the way but having said that it is still pretty swift and does skip over some bits between them winning and him being made officially Captain. But they kind of had to otherwise the mvoie would last all bloody day. To explain fully would spoil the movie.
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Post by lunalelle on May 9, 2009 21:04:00 GMT -5
Well, old!Spock didn't spontaneously disappear a la Back to the Future because new!Spock didn't go through the precise time line old!Spock had, so I have to assume that the original canon is still intact as its own reality with the new ST movie creating a whole and separate reality. It doesn't dismiss the validity of the canon - it just opens new doors for a more modern ST, which is what most of the subsequent ST series tried to do.
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Post by booley on May 9, 2009 21:05:54 GMT -5
OI love trek but I think the canon needed to be blasted a part a bit but that doesn't bother me for a couple of reasons. First old star trek wasn't particularily bothered by keeping the universe straight. To quote Voltaire, remember when Klingons looked like Puerto Ricans and dressed in Gold Lam'e? OR how TNG kept going on about how Data was unique because he was an android yet how many self aware androids did TOS run into?
And secondly, trying to fit to closely to cannon, especially with a prequel , is just too limiting. Lots of stories become impossible, surprises are few and after one already knows how it's going to end a few minutes after it begins.
They were going to get rid of a lot of the old universe. I am happy they did that and came up with a good reason for it.
My only complaint is Nero (not the actor but the writing for the Nero) His motivations make no sense if you think about (and I can't go into detail without spoiling)
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Post by booley on May 9, 2009 21:07:48 GMT -5
....so I have to assume that the original canon is still intact as its own reality with the new ST movie creating a whole and separate reality. It doesn't dismiss the validity of the canon - it just opens new doors for a more modern ST, which is what most of the subsequent ST series tried to do. Yay for the Multiverse. Though if Quinto shows up as Spock with a goatee, I will probably have to kill someone. PAINFULLY
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Post by SimSim on May 9, 2009 21:11:11 GMT -5
No mirror Spock for you booley?
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Post by Nutcase on May 9, 2009 21:29:11 GMT -5
Awesome movie. I wasn't sad to see the divergence from canon. In fact, it opens up whole new avenues of possibility for the franchise. Star Trek is supposed to be about exploring, after all.
(Now, if only they'd get around to "re-imagining" The Matrix II and III as movies that didn't suck...)
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Post by Mantorok on May 10, 2009 6:15:17 GMT -5
(Now, if only they'd get around to "re-imagining" The Matrix II and III as movies that didn't suck...) The Matrix DeZIONized
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Post by Lady Renae on May 10, 2009 6:47:03 GMT -5
I heard the movie was actually really bad and failed to follow anything resembling a plot, not even making it as an action movie let alone a good science fiction.
I heard this from a hardcore trekkie and near-professional comic nerd.
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Post by SimSim on May 10, 2009 7:15:17 GMT -5
Well, a hardcore Trekkie probably didn't like it because of how the movie completely changes the ST canon. There is a plot, but like with most summer blockbuster movies, it takes a back seat to action, special effects, and style. I thought it was okay. Far worse movies, and far worse ways to spend 2 hours.
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Post by katsuro on May 10, 2009 11:35:53 GMT -5
I heard the movie was actually really bad and failed to follow anything resembling a plot, not even making it as an action movie let alone a good science fiction. I heard this from a hardcore trekkie and near-professional comic nerd. Well pretty much everyone else disagress with him, including at least one Trekkie I know. I know majority opinion does not make for a valid argument, but in this case it just so happens the majority opinion is the right one lol.
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