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Post by dantesvirgil on May 18, 2009 12:47:57 GMT -5
My trekkie buddy (who has a bobble-head Gorn) was in love with the movie.
We saw it a few days ago -- pretty good. I was raised on the old ST, and saw some of the movies. We didn't really watch much of the newer stuff.
My favorite part was the explanation of McCoy's nickname. I think his divorce is only mentioned in one of the old episodes. It's a nice little reference.
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Post by xaria on May 18, 2009 16:47:46 GMT -5
Many of the things you cite can be explained by pointing out that any sort of time travel would have effects reaching far beyond the obvious; it's called the "butterfly effect". Nero showing up when he did could have altered things in tiny ways that led to bigger effects with no directly obvious cause-and-effect. The rest can be explained by the fact that the movie had a better production budget than all three seasons of the original series put together. Seriously, are you going to complain because the bridge didn't look like a cardboard box next? actually the stuff i mentioned was alterations that had already happened before the nero arrived. no-ne batted an eyelid at seeing that the romulans looked like vulcans even in the opening scene, the enterprise symbol wasent taken for all starfleet until between the original series and the motion picture but the crew of the kelvan had it on their tops. captain pike is in his 50's when he was in his late 30's around the same year in the cage. sarik having a british-type accent. these are continuity issues that cant be got rid of by the magic parallel reality thing because they happened before the split. so iv decided that it was already a paralel reality. now the uniforms being original series when they should be cage era could be the butterfly effect ill give you that one. one thing i loved was the cameo by w morgan sheppard. mans a legend.
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Post by Bezron on May 18, 2009 16:54:06 GMT -5
the enterprise symbol wasent taken for all starfleet until between the original series and the motion picture but the crew of the kelvan had it on their tops. I think this was less continuity error in this movie than continuity error in the series itself.
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Post by xaria on May 18, 2009 17:05:45 GMT -5
how do you mean? in the series every ship and station had its own symbol
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Post by xaria on May 18, 2009 17:09:23 GMT -5
for example, thats the uss defiants emblam. the vortex symbol designates engineering.
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Post by Vypernight on May 18, 2009 18:07:22 GMT -5
My main problem with Pike was that he wasn't his usual gung-ho, take $#!+ from no one, "You want me to test my theory on your head?" tough-guy self. He was just...there...to fill the role. They could've used Capt. April, and you would've never known the difference.
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Post by xaria on May 18, 2009 18:29:30 GMT -5
i would have had a major geekasm if april had turned up
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Post by Bezron on May 19, 2009 9:07:32 GMT -5
how do you mean? in the series every ship and station had its own symbol Only in the original. When The Motion Picture was made, and every Star Trek related movie and series after that, the Enterprise symbol and the Star Fleet symbol are the same (this may not be true for Enterprise, never actually watched that one). Unless there is some book somewhere that explains, and is canon, why the fleet symbol was changed to the Enterprise symbol, then the writers after TOS just decided to stop doing that or forgot about it.
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Post by xaria on May 19, 2009 9:29:32 GMT -5
since it happened between the TOS and the motion picture we can assume that starfleet made the change for whatever reason. thwe whys not important , the fact that the change happened is.
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Post by Bezron on May 19, 2009 9:43:29 GMT -5
I'd say that's going out on a limb to come up with a reason why the writers messed up continuity.
Did Enterprise (the show) have different symbols for different ships? Were there even different ships in Enterprise? (haha, like I said...)
And why did The Project keep leaping him from body to body to set wrongs right? Wouldn't that have changed the whole timeline and prevented The Project from happening? Or did the very fact of the project's existence cause those things to go wrong in the past? Now my head hurts (all from making a stupid Scott Bakula joke)
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Post by peanutfan on May 19, 2009 9:53:51 GMT -5
How's this for an explanation...Starfleet's symbol has always been that cheesy little boomerang thing. It got assigned to the Enterprise as its ship symbol because the Enterprise is the Starfleet flagship.
There! Problem solved.
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Post by xaria on May 19, 2009 9:59:26 GMT -5
lols
this is why nerd convos are funny. un-nerdish people arguing over the film would talk about how it made them feel etc. we get to argue about its connections with stuff 40 years old. way more interesting:P
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Post by Deimos on May 19, 2009 19:00:44 GMT -5
I can't belive a guy from Home and Away managed to get into the film. People from Home And Away usually come from kids shows on ABC
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Post by Bezron on May 20, 2009 11:36:00 GMT -5
As an aside, a media director here at work gave me an Enterprise symbol that he got from a client yesterday. Cute little plastic toy that proclaims my nerdiness to all that walk past my desk now. It also has a red flashlight on it, so I keep telling the guy that reports to me that I'm phasering him.
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Post by deliciousdemon on May 20, 2009 11:38:01 GMT -5
Can't believe there's not a thread about this movie already! Anyways, yeah saw it on Friday and thought it was fantastic. Definitely the best Trek movie since First Contact...it might even be better than First Contact. The cast for the most part do not look or sound anything like the original actors...but yet they're still great as those characters. They don't try to impersonate the old actors, but rather make the characters their own whilst staying true to the old versions of them. Zack Quinto deserves special mention. I thought from the very first day they announced his role that he'd make for a good Spock, and he does. The only problem is the film, literally, destroys the canon and "history" of Star Trek. The plot of the film means that several episodes, and movies like #4, can't happen. But it's made clear that it's a deliberate decision - at one point one of the characters actually says something about this being a whole new time-line or words to that effect. If you're a Trekkie you'll cum from all the fan service, references and in jokes (like Kirk sleeping with a green woman) but the very literal destruction of the canon that you loved might make you cry at the same time. I got past it by randomly deciding that these events created a new alternate reality in the multi-verse which exists parallel to the old canon lol. I'm not a Trekkie, I'm just sad enough to be one lol. This!I thought the creation of a new universe was a very clever way of refreshing the series. My major worry was the fucking up of canon, and they completely avoided it! Future films won't have to worry about stepping on canon egg shells. Overall I think ST was getting too sophisticated for its own good. TOS appealed to a lot of people--that was the point. This film lives up to that tradition lost in some of the later series where technobabble seemed to dominate a good portion of episodes.
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