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Post by Haseen on May 28, 2009 22:36:58 GMT -5
Republican strategy: If you repeat it long enough, loud enough, people will start to believe it. If this fails, repeat it louder.
See: Christian Nation, Liberal Media, War on Christmas, Socialism.
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Post by devilschaplain2 on May 28, 2009 22:53:42 GMT -5
Republican strategy: If you repeat it long enough, loud enough, people will start to believe it. If this fails, repeat it louder. See: Christian Nation, Liberal Media, War on Christmas, Socialism. You forgot the homosexual agenda and activist judges
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Post by Admiral Lithp on May 28, 2009 23:58:17 GMT -5
The_L: From what I gather, they weren't holiday displays, just religious ones in general. So, I'm guessing it was a pentagram. But what the fuck do I know?
Agnosticantagonist: Exalted, for the South Park reference. Also my favorite song of that episode.
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Post by antichrist on May 29, 2009 2:17:28 GMT -5
Republican strategy: If you repeat it long enough, loud enough, people will start to believe it. If this fails, repeat it louder. See: Christian Nation, Liberal Media, War on Christmas, Socialism. Didn't Hitler say something along those lines? Yeah, I went there.
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Post by chad sexington on May 29, 2009 2:38:06 GMT -5
The_L: From what I gather, they weren't holiday displays, just religious ones in general. So, I'm guessing it was a pentagram. But what the fuck do I know? There was a case a few years ago where a council somewhere put up a display with all religious symbols. Some redneck knocked down the pentagram with his truck and then drove over it several times. I don't remember where, just that it happened.
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Zabimaru
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Post by Zabimaru on May 29, 2009 3:14:52 GMT -5
I mentioned earlier that people don't care one way or another around here, but with the talk of the pagan origins of Christmas I have to mention the one man I've met here who really cared. Unfortunately he was one of my teachers in eight grade and he wanted to "keep Christmas Christian." A girl and I got in a debate with him once, when he had mentioned that he didn't think that it's right that atheists celebrate Christmas. He had some arguments about how it "cheapens the Christian message of the holiday" and stuff like that. If he had his way, non-believers wouldn't even be allowed to celebrate Christmas. I argued that I don't celebrate the religious parts of Christmas. I don't go to church or build nativity scenes, I don't decorate with religious symbols, and the only thing we really used in our house was a nice, big pagan Christmas tree just because we think it's pretty. I said that we only celebrate Christmas because it's a nice time when everyone has time off work/school so we can get together the whole family. He didn't accept that this made any difference though, and stood his ground that my celebrating Christmas in my house somehow is bad for his Christmas. And this really just reminds me of the whole gay marriage thing. We had a winter solstice festival around Christmas time here before the Christian came. We had a type of marriage before the Christians came. But since they've taken over and their traditions are now the popular ones, they think that they should be allowed to control them no matter what religion people have. So Christians say that I shouldn't be allowed to celebrate in a non-religious (though a bit pagan and Christmasesque) way at the same time as Christmas, in my own home. And Christians say that I shouldn't be allowed to marry a guy - even in a courthouse - because that isn't "traditional Christian marriage." They think that they have the right to decide how people do things just because their way is popular right now. Sorry about the rant I just thought it was entertaining, in a way.
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Post by maanantai on May 29, 2009 5:48:56 GMT -5
I mentioned earlier that people don't care one way or another around here, but with the talk of the pagan origins of Christmas I have to mention the one man I've met here who really cared. Unfortunately he was one of my teachers in eight grade and he wanted to "keep Christmas Christian." A girl and I got in a debate with him once, when he had mentioned that he didn't think that it's right that atheists celebrate Christmas. He had some arguments about how it "cheapens the Christian message of the holiday" and stuff like that. If he had his way, non-believers wouldn't even be allowed to celebrate Christmas. I argued that I don't celebrate the religious parts of Christmas. I don't go to church or build nativity scenes, I don't decorate with religious symbols, and the only thing we really used in our house was a nice, big pagan Christmas tree just because we think it's pretty. I said that we only celebrate Christmas because it's a nice time when everyone has time off work/school so we can get together the whole family. He didn't accept that this made any difference though, and stood his ground that my celebrating Christmas in my house somehow is bad for his Christmas. And this really just reminds me of the whole gay marriage thing. We had a winter solstice festival around Christmas time here before the Christian came. We had a type of marriage before the Christians came. But since they've taken over and their traditions are now the popular ones, they think that they should be allowed to control them no matter what religion people have. So Christians say that I shouldn't be allowed to celebrate in a non-religious (though a bit pagan and Christmasesque) way at the same time as Christmas, in my own home. And Christians say that I shouldn't be allowed to marry a guy - even in a courthouse - because that isn't "traditional Christian marriage." They think that they have the right to decide how people do things just because their way is popular right now. Sorry about the rant I just thought it was entertaining, in a way. Just had to quote, because I agree with you. And yes, I too have been told that since I'm not x-tian, I have no right to celebrate on certain time of the year, with mostly pagan traditions such as tree, burning candles, and eating like pig and most importantly spending the time with the people you love. And presents! But on the other hand I usually remember to tell how this and that and those traditions are from pre-christian era and even that we don't discuss it (my atheism) much in my family, most of them seem to accept these days that church/jebus/x-tianism has no part in my life. (even that my grandmother still asks me if I've been to the church of my town... but that is too easy to answer back, without answering anything, I just repeat the question to her - she's bit lazy when it comes to going to church even that she IS x-tian) sorry about the off-topic Oh! And I have to add, that maybe in certain coutries it is easier to say that one celebrates "holiday a" or "holiday b" when the name is more close to the original one. THEY may have tried to change the meaning of it, but THEY didn't have chance to change the name ^_______^
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Post by antichrist on May 29, 2009 12:00:40 GMT -5
ahem....
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Post by Rat Of Steel on May 29, 2009 12:37:15 GMT -5
Republican strategy: If you repeat it long enough, loud enough, people will start to believe it. If this fails, repeat it louder. See: Christian Nation, Liberal Media, War on Christmas, Socialism. Didn't Hitler say something along those lines? Yeah, I went there. Something like that, yes. The actual quote is: "The great masses of the people (...) will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one."
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Post by Admiral Lithp on May 29, 2009 21:29:55 GMT -5
Antichrist: Fucking win. Exalt.
Zabimaru: Oh no, I definately agree with you. They need to learn that other people have rights, too. The funny thing, is I actually had a very short-lived argument with a Fundie who said everyone should do things the Christian way, regardless of beliefs. How'd short? I supplied a lengthy, well-thought-out, basically essay about peoples' rights, and how we don't infringe on hers. She responded by saying, "Your words don't move me. If the Bible is against it, it's wrong. I'm blocking you." All I wanted was a new argument. I don't really give a rat's ass if she wasn't "moved," as I try to argue from a purely rational stance, anyway...and now it seems as though I'M the one who's ranting....
Eric: Different thing. I remember the multitude of quotes about it, though. No, this was some precedent case for separation of church & state, which basically said, "Local governments can do whatever the fuck they want, because they're elected by the community."
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Post by mice34 on May 29, 2009 22:08:08 GMT -5
Whoa, I never noticed that Jeremiah quote before. Hilarious. That needs to be spread around more to annoy Christians.
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Post by Thejebusfire on May 29, 2009 22:19:16 GMT -5
ahem.... Everyone knows fundies pick and choose from the bible.
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Post by schizophonic on May 30, 2009 12:14:15 GMT -5
Zabimaru: Oh no, I definately agree with you. They need to learn that other people have rights, too. The funny thing, is I actually had a very short-lived argument with a Fundie who said everyone should do things the Christian way, regardless of beliefs. How'd short? I supplied a lengthy, well-thought-out, basically essay about peoples' rights, and how we don't infringe on hers. She responded by saying, "Your words don't move me. If the Bible is against it, it's wrong. I'm blocking you." All I wanted was a new argument. I don't really give a rat's ass if she wasn't "moved," as I try to argue from a purely rational stance, anyway...and now it seems as though I'M the one who's ranting.... So how do we rule on shit the Bible doesn't touch? I know it's not your argument, but that shit positively baffles me. Jon Meachum on Bill Maher had an interesting comment regarding free will, and how if God wouldn't take it away, no human should. I wish Billmaher.com still did transcripts, because I don't remember the exact wording, but I think this is very important, especially as they try and dictate their morality to us.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on May 30, 2009 15:34:57 GMT -5
Zabimaru: Oh no, I definately agree with you. They need to learn that other people have rights, too. The funny thing, is I actually had a very short-lived argument with a Fundie who said everyone should do things the Christian way, regardless of beliefs. How'd short? I supplied a lengthy, well-thought-out, basically essay about peoples' rights, and how we don't infringe on hers. She responded by saying, "Your words don't move me. If the Bible is against it, it's wrong. I'm blocking you." All I wanted was a new argument. I don't really give a rat's ass if she wasn't "moved," as I try to argue from a purely rational stance, anyway...and now it seems as though I'M the one who's ranting.... So how do we rule on shit the Bible doesn't touch? I know it's not your argument, but that shit positively baffles me. Jon Meachum on Bill Maher had an interesting comment regarding free will, and how if God wouldn't take it away, no human should. I wish Billmaher.com still did transcripts, because I don't remember the exact wording, but I think this is very important, especially as they try and dictate their morality to us. I thought about bringing this up once, but I pretty much knew the answer I would get, already, so I didn't. "We're called to live like Christ & not tolerate evil," is what I was predicting. If you'd like, though, I can certainly ask on this site-that-shall-remain-nameless.
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Post by wmdkitty on May 31, 2009 14:08:13 GMT -5
Except that Christ tolerated many things that society of the time called "evil" -- adulterers, prostitutes... -- and NEVER called you to be a greedy bastard. He calls you to sell your possessions, give the money to the poor, and was basically a liberal-socialist-longhair-hippie.
Try pointing that out, next time one of them says, "We're called to live like Christ and not tolerate evil."
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