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Post by secularskeptic on Jul 8, 2009 16:09:26 GMT -5
;DGo Vene!!!! Personally I don't know you would bother though, but at the same time I commend you trying to educate them about evolution. But they probably don't want to learn, they're just going to continue to believe what they want and have the nerve to say that you're trolling. But good job anyways. I second this, being an idiot and a pompous shithead is the worse combination. Hey sakurapassion, I see you are new. Me too. Welcome!
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Post by Bezron on Jul 8, 2009 16:10:03 GMT -5
(a few of them defended you, which I found encouraging). Any bets on the ones defending Vene actually being FSTDT spies? I'm just sayin...
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Jul 8, 2009 16:13:06 GMT -5
(a few of them defended you, which I found encouraging). Any bets on the ones defending Vene actually being FSTDT spies? I'm just sayin... That thought did occur to me, actually. Not necessarily FSTDT, though.
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Post by sakurapassion on Jul 8, 2009 16:26:52 GMT -5
Thanks. ;D
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Post by Bluefinger on Jul 8, 2009 16:35:06 GMT -5
You blew their covers! HOW COULD YOU PEOPLE! Seriously
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Post by Bezron on Jul 8, 2009 16:36:20 GMT -5
I was actually hoping to cause the mods over there to go on a banning spree, just cuz it amuses me.
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Post by Jedi Knight on Jul 8, 2009 16:40:12 GMT -5
I was actually hoping to cause the mods over there to go on a banning spree, just cuz it amuses me. Long-distance trolling? That's a new one.
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Post by Bezron on Jul 8, 2009 16:43:18 GMT -5
Hey, it was worth a shot. Plus, if I was to suggest such a thing on RR itself, I would be insta-b&. And that would seriously cut into my amusement
Thus far, they haven't banned all of the Poes there...
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Post by Jedi Knight on Jul 8, 2009 16:52:17 GMT -5
Hey, it was worth a shot. Plus, if I was to suggest such a thing on RR itself, I would be insta-b&. And that would seriously cut into my amusement Thus far, they haven't banned all of the Poes there... Of course not. They're difficult to spot in those surroundings. I mean, I can hardly tell the difference between Westboro Baptist and Landover Baptist.
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Post by Bezron on Jul 8, 2009 16:53:00 GMT -5
Haha, imaginary exalt for you!
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Post by wmdkitty on Jul 8, 2009 17:16:55 GMT -5
Nope, no next time. I had my fun. Also, I was babying them, they can't handle even light criticism. I've been in discussions with scientists, we're vicious. Them? Telling them I think differently is a huge affront. Let's be completely and totally fair, I do know more than them. I know a hell of a lot more than them. I am justified in my arrogance. I didn't thing you were being arrogant at all. You were just pointing out that people have different areas of expertise. You even gave an example of an area that you are not knowledgeable in. Some of the RRers were just looking for a reason to not like you (a few of them defended you, which I found encouraging). * * * It's kinda sad. They started out asking some reasonable questions. For a little while there, it actually looked like they were interested in learning, but then it quickly devolved into GodJesusBible flaming. Vene was arrogant and condescending in that whole thread. Nice to know he's not just a jackass here.
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Post by Bluefinger on Jul 8, 2009 17:38:29 GMT -5
Vene was arrogant and condescending in that whole thread. Nice to know he's not just a jackass here. Okay, calm down wmdkitty. Nothing Vene said was anything that I wouldn't have said myself, and I was there at RR for a time doing the same thing. When I was asked about why I believed certain things, I argued why, they countered, I provided evidence, they discounted it, and I refuted their objections, etc. If anything, what Vene posted was actually pretty mild in comparison to what I managed to post myself, and I wasn't derided for being arrogant. Maybe, just maybe, you are taking things a bit too personally here? Last time I checked, having actual stuff to back up what one is saying is not something that qualifies under 'arrogance', and neither is presenting that calmy 'arrogant' either. Considering what the RR folk were doing in response, I'm surprised Vene didn't get wound up in the process. So please, try not to read too much into things.
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Post by wmdkitty on Jul 8, 2009 17:48:26 GMT -5
No, I'm saying that the attitude presented was one of, "I have a fancy science degree, I'm better than you, and I'll prove it by posting an incomprehensible wall of text." The same attitude that Vene displays here, the same condescending tone of, "if you don't understand the jargon, you're stupid."
That is what I'm taking issue with.
And his sources are needlessly complicated.
For example, the explanation of the function of SRY he gave was overly long and complicated. I dug up a simple, two sentence explanation in no time at all on Google, but I guess since it wasn't full of technical jargon, it didn't count.
Vene has also gone out of his way to post things that he KNOWS nobody will understand, then lords it over us, like he's just so much better because he has a piece of paper from a school.
My problem is that VENE is a condescending, arrogant jackass.
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Post by Magnizeal on Jul 8, 2009 17:54:24 GMT -5
No, they are not needlessly complicated. They are trying to be as precise and clear as possible. You found a simple, two sentence explanation on Google, awesome! But I can almost guarantee that it's not nearly as precise as others. Maybe, in this case, it doesn't need to be precise, but if understanding is based on an imprecise definition, later conclusions will be muddied and wrong, which is why it's best to be as precise as possible. Precision and clarity can easily get complicated... life's complicated.
And no, he doesn't know that nobody will understand what he posts. He doesn't always remember what is and isn't common knowledge, just like I forget that not everyone knows what appositives and prepositional phrases are, or Ej forgets that most people DO know what .zip files are. It happens with education.
(edit to remove random 's'.)
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Post by Bluefinger on Jul 8, 2009 18:01:19 GMT -5
No, I'm saying that the attitude presented was one of, "I have a fancy science degree, I'm better than you, and I'll prove it by posting an incomprehensible wall of text." The same attitude that Vene displays here, the same condescending tone of, "if you don't understand the jargon, you're stupid." That is what I'm taking issue with. And his sources are needlessly complicated. For example, the explanation of the function of SRY he gave was overly long and complicated. I dug up a simple, two sentence explanation in no time at all on Google, but I guess since it wasn't full of technical jargon, it didn't count. Vene has also gone out of his way to post things that he KNOWS nobody will understand, then lords it over us, like he's just so much better because he has a piece of paper from a school. My problem is that VENE is a condescending, arrogant jackass. I declare bovine excrement on this. Allow me to explain why: He has expertise in the field, so stating such is still not equating to being arrogant. It is just a statement of one's knowledge on a given topic. If THAT is somehow arrogant, then you have inferiority issues. Sources that are overly complicated? In that thread, he posted a technical AND less-technical version of the SAME sources. For fuck's sake, if NewScientist is still too technical for you, then I wonder how you manage with wikipedia. Also, Vene trying to explain what the function of SRY does was done to what he knew. I know I have a hard time simplifying what I know about computers to other people now that I understand the more technical aspects, but does that automatically make me arrogant? Fuck no, it just means I'm not as good as explaining things as other people. Actually, he should be happy he has that piece of paper. It signifies the amount of effort and work he has put into his chosen subject in order to have a measure of expertise on it. So please, wmdkitty, cool yourself off and just think at what you've effectively been saying. I'm no different to Vene except that my area of expertise is computers. Should I not be happy for spending a good deal of money getting my ass through university and coming out with something to show for it? Saying that I know my stuff about computers does not make me arrogant, and neither does it make Vene arrogant on him stating his expertise on biology.
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