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Post by valsa on Sept 18, 2009 15:35:06 GMT -5
Have you tried chaining her to the stove? All you gotta do is make sure she can reach the fridge and pantry.
If you're really a softy, you can give her a chair too. Not to rest, of course, but for something to sit down on when she goes into labor.
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 18, 2009 15:58:26 GMT -5
valsa and lightmelon i apologize for not responing and keeping this going with us. i will go over everything tonight and respond. i have a call at 8:30 and don't know how long it will take but as long as i have enough time i will write to you guys.
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Post by Bezron on Sept 18, 2009 15:59:28 GMT -5
yeah, she slips the chain. That's the downside to a doublejointed wife  She has one of those folding stools...not to rest, but to reach the top of the fridge (for dusting) |
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Post by valsa on Sept 18, 2009 17:16:40 GMT -5
That's the downside to a doublejointed wife I... uh... well, damn. I got nothing. Good job with that selection, though. |
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Post by Vypernight on Sept 18, 2009 17:48:13 GMT -5
Rooms in my mind? Okay...
One room has a bunch of lesbians going at it nearly all the time (With just enough time to eat, sleep, and get married).
One room has roller coasters.
One room has customers and other people I don't like being tortured endlessly.
One room is set aside for video games.
One room is where I organize my stories (Horror, fantasy, porn)and poetry (light-hearted, dark, violent) before actually writing them.
And the final room is where I torture demons because they 'failed me for the last time.'
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Post by catanon on Sept 18, 2009 18:11:47 GMT -5
Rooms in my mind? Okay... One room has a bunch of lesbians going at it nearly all the time (With just enough time to eat, sleep, and get married). One room has roller coasters. One room has customers and other people I don't like being tortured endlessly. One room is set aside for video games. One room is where I organize my stories (Horror, fantasy, porn)and poetry (light-hearted, dark, violent) before actually writing them. And the final room is where I torture demons because they 'failed me for the last time.' Ha!~ Of course by "rooms" you obviously mean "stuff I wish would happen that's in my mind, but in no way in a 'room'" |
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Post by lonelocust on Sept 18, 2009 21:28:07 GMT -5
Incidentally, baboons (and possibly some others of which I am unaware) are a big exception to the primate mostly-vegetarian rule. They eat meat like crazy. Also they are scary as fuck. And adorable. ... ... ... Yeah, I think I’d have ended that paragraph at “scary as fuck”, thank you. Adorable baboons! www.zooborns.typepad.com/zooborns/baboon/ |
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Post by lonelocust on Sept 18, 2009 21:51:26 GMT -5
I think you've got lightmelon and me mixed up here. But anyway. Actually, I was very slightly harsh. Out of dozens of guesses, you got one thing right and two things half-right. About a normal cold-reader success rate. A)Who said I "see" anything? Are you using some new and exciting definition of the word "see"? Right now I see my living room, cat, bicycle, teapot collection, front door, bookshelves, books, toys, candles, croched peacocks, various other decorative baubles, and of course my computer, hands legs, and chest. B)Yes, I know that's not what you mean. If I did see things in some hallucinatory fashion, why would I tell you about it? You set out to convince me that you could tell me about a certain thing, and you couldn't. Give me a reason that it will continue to be entertaining for me to humor you further. You actually answering my previous long message point-by-point would have been fine, as I was interested in what you say, but ignoring me and then changing what we're doing entirely - that is, you demanding information from me instead of as originally proposed by you you giving me information to convince me you have some sort of knowledge - doesn't interest me in the same way. Well, I appreciate your very honest answer. No data and no inability of your paradigm to produce accurate predictions will change your mind about what you believe. Honesty is good. Not disrespectful of my "beliefs", disrespectful of me as a person and of the fact that I have engaged in dialogue with you. I took time to specifically answer you, and I treated your statements as if they deserved rational probing. You then just ignored this, didn't answer my questions, and assumed I would just jump into sharing extremely personal information with you (including again assuming certain information is even there) after you disrespected me telling you that you were wrong. No. My beliefs are based upon observable evidence and reasoned logic. My beliefs are based on hypotheses producing accurate predictions, and if they don't, dismissing them. My beliefs are only "strong" insofar as they have a solid foundation. My beliefs are based on never making a belief a Belief(tm); everything that I think to be true MUST be open to be overturned and reevaluated. Because I have not been disrespectful. I have given your claims the chance that I would give anyone's claims, and subjected them to the same tests that I would, have, and do subject my own to. I can generate no higher respect for anyone's claims. The fact that I haven't been disrespectful to your words, and you don't think I have does not mean that YOU have not been disrespectful to MY words. If it is admirable, why don't you do it yourself, I must wonder? I think we've firmly gone over this. Again, you're taking, however accidentally, the techniques of cold reading. You take the one thing that I gave you something of an affirmative on and are expounding and expanding it to try to get more "hits" on this one item, because you take it as an affirmative even though you guessed dozens of other things that were utterly wrong. |
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 19, 2009 7:19:30 GMT -5
lonelocust
to start with i think you are full of it and playing this. I would bet you can not see inside as you have deceptively played along with. Atleast not that you know of. And that you have just wasted a bunch of time to get attention. see had this been over the phone at the least you would have only wasted a few minutes time. i don't like games. It is one thing to be skeptical but another to waste my time playing games. By the way you do have DID just like i said and so does your mom. Whether or not you know it. Or want to admit it. which ever the case may be.
By the way it's saturday.
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Post by valsa on Sept 19, 2009 11:05:41 GMT -5
OMG! One of those is baboon!Ron Weasley! Second from the bottom. Go ahead, tell me you don’t see it. All he needs is red hair and he’d be Rupert Grint. Ugh. But no- baboons are still horrible and ugly to me. And this is coming from someone who likes those hairless cats (who fall into the so-ugly-they’re-cute category) lonelocust to start with i think you are full of it and playing this. I would bet you can not see inside as you have deceptively played along with. Atleast not that you know of. And that you have just wasted a bunch of time to get attention. see had this been over the phone at the least you would have only wasted a few minutes time. i don't like games. It is one thing to be skeptical but another to waste my time playing games. By the way you do have DID just like i said and so does your mom. Whether or not you know it. Or want to admit it. which ever the case may be. By the way it's saturday. Ooooooo! And the fundy bites back! Nautical, here’s what I found with a very, very small about of research- The DSM-IV provides the following criteria to diagnose dissociative identity disorder:
Two or more distinct identities or personality states (which can have their own distinct age, race, and gender) are present, each with its own relatively enduring pattern of perceiving, relating to and thinking about the environment and self.
At least two of these identities or personality states recurrently take control of the person's behavior.
The person has an inability to recall important personal information that is too extensive to be explained by ordinary forgetfulness.
The disturbance is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., blackouts or chaotic behavior during alcohol intoxication) or a general medical condition (e.g., complex partial seizures). In children, the symptoms are not attributable to imaginary playmates or other fantasy play. A patient history, x-rays, blood tests, and other procedures can be used to eliminate the possibility that symptoms are due to traumatic brain injury, medication, sleep deprivation, or intoxicants, all of which can mimic symptoms of DID.Even if we were to swallow your line that demons cause physical and mental illness, if the “demons” don’t cause these particular symptoms, it’s just not DID. If lonelocust and hir (sorry, didn’t see a gender) mother don’t display these qualities (among others) then you can’t say they have DID. If you do, that just means you hijacked the term “Dissociative Identity Disorder” and changed the meaning within your group to be “whatever we decide it is”. If I start calling my pet lizard my “dad”, it doesn’t mean that he’s my biological predecessor. Anyway, I would like to hear some of the accounts of what your church considers DID. These alternate identities- are they supposed to be the base person in different stages of their lives? For example, a woman like myself (22 year old white female)- am I expected to have another identity who’s, perhaps, myself at a younger age (say, an 8 year old white girl)? Then what about all the people with diagnosed DID who have personalities who don’t fit their age or race or gender? Has there ever been someone like me in your church (again- short, 22 year old white female) whose alternate personality was, for example, a 40 year old, 6’5 black guy? |
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 19, 2009 13:16:44 GMT -5
valsa
i am glad you brought this up because it is something i deal with sometimes. when a person is 22 and has a personality that says they're 40 then the 40 year old is a demon.
i dealt with one a week ago that was in a room of a system and the lady was 28. The protector part said this was an old man. I called him up and he came up very briefly. Refused to talk other than say leave me alone. I had the protector take him a glass of water of life and then the demon began screaming like hell and then dissipated. This is without me telling her what would happen she explained to me what happens to all demons that drink of it or get this water thrown on them.
Was she hallucinating the same thing everyone else does even without a preconceived notion of what would happen?
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Post by valsa on Sept 19, 2009 14:43:24 GMT -5
Did you actually call it the “water of life”? I mean, anyone who’s seen The Exorcist or even Paranormal (or whatever that ghost hunting show with the dumbass kids on it is called) would know that holy water (I’d personally assume the “water of life” was something akin to holy water if I heard the term used in that context) is supposed to dissipate demons. Even if you didn’t call it “water of life”, just mentioning water could be enough to signal to that woman’s brain that it would be used in the same capacity as holy water, which is the only use of water I can think of when involved in the casting out of demons.
Humans are much smarter than we sometimes give ourselves credit for. We make inferences all the time based on our (sometimes limited) prior knowledge and the context of the situation. There’s a whole spiel I could go into from my developmental psychology class about why this comes about in our childhood development and examples of it, but I’ll spare you.
To further explore your church and DID- if someone comes to you but doesn’t believe they have DID or the symptoms of DID, do you insist they have it until they finally admit they do? Seeing your behavior with lonelocust, who didn’t fall for it because s/he seems fairly on-the-ball and strong mentally, I can’t help but imagine a lot of your church’s findings of “DID” (not actual “DID”, but what you all claim is “DID”) may just be you guys brow-beating vulnerable people into believing they have illnesses they don’t have. I’m a blonde, but if I had a ton of people around me jumping up and downing claiming I was a brunette for long enough, I might just start believing I was a brunette.
Also, if these “alters” are caused by demons, why have there been successful integrations of alternate personalities in diagnosed cases of DID with just a whole lot of therapy and no casting out of demons? Does that mean you can cast out demons without the need for your god, it just takes longer?
If you really want proof of your god, next time you’re doing one of these casting out of demon things, walk behind the “demon”, tell them you’ll be laying the Bible on them, then pick up a non-Biblical book with the same weight and shape of a typical Bible, and touch that to their back/the back of their head/somewhere they can’t see what it is (make sure you’ve hidden this book well, so they don’t get a peak at it beforehand) If it really is demons, they’ll know it’s not a Bible (again, you’ll have the make sure the person hasn’t seen the book beforehand or has any reason whatsoever to suspect it’s not a Bible) If the person still reacts as if it’s the Bible, then we know there’s a problem somewhere along the line.
Lastly- you still haven’t explained about the meds working yet.
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 19, 2009 15:27:37 GMT -5
valsa
as far as DID is concerned the medical stand point is that it is an illness. I think this is where everyone is mistaken. I will explain the best i can and hope to atleast answer some questions for people.
When something traumatic happens to someone, or in some cases when something perceived as traumatic happens, the person cannot emotionally handle it so the brain splits off into another part. This part is a dissociative part with it's own emotions and age ( the age of the trauma in most cases, in other cases the part will come out so often that it will in a sence grow up with that person and will be aware of the persons actual age. In a lot of cases this is a protective part , one who's sole purpose is to protect the well being of the person against emotional pain.) This part may or may not ever come out, but even not coming out it is still there and needs to be assured it is safe to come out and talk and get the healing it needs to be able to merge with the core person.
The dissociative part holds most and a lot of times all the pain associated with the traumatic experience so the core person can go on living there life the best they can. Since this is the case i believe that this is a gift from God to be able to do this. It is also a gift from God to at a point when he knows the person can handle going through it all to be able to heal them and make them whole again. That's where people like me come in.
In people who are deemed schizophrenic there is for the most part two types of voices they hear, voices of demons wanting them to do self harm and keep them in the fear that keeps them bound and also voices of the dissociative personalities. The reason why demons verbally attack in the mind is to make it where it is even more difficult to differentiate between the two making it harder for the person to get help. Society just calls them crazy and doctors just give them drugs to patch them up but without ripping off the band aid and seeing inside, the person will not be healed.
One case i was working on a few months ago is with a young woman who has numerous parts and one was real young girl. This young girl had two memories one of the abuse by a drug dealing friend of her father sexually abusing her and the memory of her riding in the car with him the next day after her father had beaten him up for doing what he did. In her system the incident of the sexual assault was going on and on for twenty some odd years. she relived it over and over again along with the pain of her father having him ride in the vehicle the next day with her in the back seat. I asked her how bad her father had beaten him up and she said his face was pretty messed up and i had her remember the face of him in the back seat and he was fine. She had ridden with him before that since her dad and him were friends and not after. She was able to forgive her father and felt how good that had made her feel and then decided to forgive this man as well. Since then she has been for the most part a happy go lucky little girl. She still has some healing to do and hasn't merged yet but we are making a lot of progress. had i did what her councelor had done she would still be hurting but i looked inside with the discernment of the Holy Spirit and knew that this was a warped memory.
dissociative parts are not bad they are good, even though some of them do bad things heck all of us do. They are actually pretty darn cool if you ask me. The reason why lonelocusts mom was not able to get help is because the minister did not know how to tell the difference. to some ministers they think if it has a voice it is a demon. that is why so many who go to deliverance leave the same way they came in. You can't cast out a part they are supposed to be there. so when going after the demons they force the parts forward to get the yelling at and then the part all they want to do is hide and not come out for help ever . and the demons just laugh.
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 19, 2009 15:35:08 GMT -5
valsa
yes i did call it the water of life. however in the same woman she gave this drink to some of the altars and they started healing from the pain inside. This same water without me saying anything to her immediately healed a part and he integrated. Had i known actually this is the one she was taking to the fountain i would have stopped it till i said goodbye he was one of my favorites. i remember one time after talking for a few and getting things out out lunged across the room and began a tickle attack that he would just not give up. he was three and it was so cute. But anyways he got healed by the same water no yelling like hell or nothing. and also in the same woman the protecgtor parts scars were all healed she
didn't go anywhere so there were three different outcomes the same three different ones in many others.
Holy water and water of life are two different things. Holy water is ceremonial and does harm the demons but it is made by man however the water of life flows from the throne of God. it is much more powerful.
as far as someone having DID and not knowing i usually leave it at that until they come into awareness of it. usually by a part being comfortable enough to come out. as far as casting out demons and taking longer with someone who is in counceling it is because the councelor is not biblically based in the thoughts and unable to take authority over the demons. However when a part is integrated the demons are still there with counceling integration doesn't mean they have been cast out it means that more than likely all the legal rights are gone though and it will be so much easier to cast them out. also a demon can be cast out prior to a part integrating. Parts can live demon free
about the meds i have explained the best i can i don't know what else you are wanting me to say about them
The reason i was more subtle with lonelocust is because of her vehemency against it. it kind of put me on the defensive i guess. but no i usually do not handle it that way.
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Post by m52nickerson on Sept 19, 2009 16:05:12 GMT -5
as far as DID is concerned the medical stand point is that it is an illness. I think this is where everyone is mistaken. I will explain the best i can and hope to atleast answer some questions for people. Citation Needed. ......you know because the medical community has evidence to back up its stand point. |
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