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Post by lonelocust on Sept 19, 2009 16:36:21 GMT -5
lonelocust to start with i think you are full of it and playing this. Full of what, exactly? If you mean "full of bullshit" in that I am lying, you are wrong. I have no idea whatsoever what you mean by "I would be you can no see inside", but excuse me, "deceptively"? Where exactly has the deception been? Me being clear and you continuing to insist that things are what you want to think they are, and me not capitulating and eventually saying "you're right" does not equal deception. I still have no idea what you're talking about. (Notice how I continue to give you the respect of actually addressing your words.) Oh really? Whose time have I wased? Yours? And to get attention? YOU addressed ME. You sought my attention, not vice versa. I only made comments to my fellows here until you addressed me. Perhaps you should get over yourself, and your arrogance that your time is oh so precious. Again, I did not seek you out. You came to this forum of your own accord in the first place, and addressed me in particular specifically, not vice versa. I get to decide how I spend my time. This conversation has been worth my time to me. If it hasn't been to you, you have been perfectly welcome to end it at any time. Again, I promised you nothing in particular, and then you demanded specifics. You promised me accurate descriptions of a particular thing, and were unable to follow through, and have now become hostile that I'm not acting like your new moved goalpost - where I'm telling you things you want to know instead of you telling me things you OFFERED is somehow the original deal. Sorry to hear it. I do. Feel free to stop playing games then. Surely you are not thick enough not to realize that everyone here is playing games. I am having a conversation with you out of my own curiosity about why and how people have completely irrational beliefs, and how those beliefs hold up and mesh together, how you reach to pointed out contradictions, etc. (Additionally, I always give people the benefit of the doubt that maybe they DO have something going on. It could happen. There have been claims by people in the past that I was skeptical of, but after probing I couldn't conclude that they weren't acting on apparently rational data.) And again, when asking who is wasting whose time, remember who addressed and started a conversation with whom. You didn't hang a shingle up that said "Who wants to hear about their demons?" and I came knocking on your door to fuck with you. I made a comment to another FSTDTer, not to you, and you started a conversation with me. Would you care to offer any evidence to back up your assertion? Or a prediction that could be made based on this claim, which could then be tested and verified or rejected? Yeah, my girlfriend ended up dragging me to the fair (hey, similar circumstances, we have things in common!), and now I really should be in bed since I've been awake for 24 hours. I don't need to work tonight, so it's not a huge deal, but I'm probably going to nod off at any moment. However, in addition to that, at the time that I offered to take you up on your request for a conversation (again, YOUR request, not mine), you had been at least answering my points with something that appeared to be a good faith effort to have a dialogue. Since you've decided to start completely ignoring anything I say and any questions I ask you, and make bizarre and attempted-insulting claims about anything, I really need a new motivation to actually talk to you. Also, as previously mentioned, I would want to record the conversation, for analysis. Since you can't do Skype I was trying to figure out a way to do that from my mobile phone. The call becomes less useful to me (and again, I decide how I spend my time just as you decide how you spend yours; you can decide talking to me wastes your time and vice versa) than text if I don't have a record of it to examine. I continue to be curious enough to have a telephone conversation with you, but if you're at a point where you want to play arrogant bully, I doubt you'll be terribly curiosity-feeding. If you want to return to that point from earlier where you were actually having a dialogue with me and acknowledging my words, I will continue to be interested. |
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Post by lonelocust on Sept 19, 2009 17:04:12 GMT -5
Do you realize that schizophrenia is not synonymous with "hearing voices"? Audio hallucinations are a possible symptom, but not the defining symptom, not enough if they appear alone for a diagnosis of schizophrenia, and not present in all schizophrenics. (Additionally, for those who do experience audio hallucinations, such hallucinations need not take the form of voices.) DID and schizophrenia are conflated in the popular imagination (or were for a long time; I think the distinction has become more common among the general populous in the last decade), but not for mental health professionals. People who have other personalities are not deemed schizophrenic; they are utterly different illnesses.
There are also milder forms of dissociation, which was a big reason that DID was renamed from MPD, because one can exhibit very similar symptoms without having any fully differentiated extra personalities. In contrast, dissociation is not particularly common in schizophrenics or schizotypals.
And now I'm really going to bed. OR AM I!!! Maybe I'm just switching to my other personality, to go live in an abandoned house and start a fight club and boink Helena Bonham-Carter. :-9
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Post by valsa on Sept 19, 2009 17:08:16 GMT -5
I was with you up until there. You were basically just stating what DID is. Although I feel the need to point out, in case you don’t know, there are more dissociation disorders than just DID (which is the most severe form of dissociative disorder) You could be dealing with people with dissociative disorders other than DID. Anyway, I object to the thought that DID is a gift from god. It’s a illness caused by the mechanism most commonly used by the human brain to simply survive extremely traumatic situation (dissociation) and, once the victim is no longer in that traumatic environment, it’s far more of a burden than any gift (and real gift from god would be for him to just STOP whatever traumatic abuse caused the need for another personality, but I suppose that’s too much to ask from a supposedly omnipotent and benevolent being… but I digress) However, what I find even more appalling than the thought of DID being a “gift”, is that YOU should be helping to “cure” it. I’m going to go out on an extremely thick limb and guess you have absolutely no training when it comes to psychology or psychiatry, correct? The fact that you are meddling with an already extremely fractured mind (assuming all your “DID” people actually have the real DID, which is extremely unlikely) with absolutely no training is just a recipe for further trauma and damage. Just curious- what do you do in cases of people who are an imminent harm to themselves or others? Actual mental health professionals have the option to admit, to a hospital, a person threatening to kill themselves or having seemingly overwhelming fantasies/ impulses of hurting others. Do you guys just try and “pray” the impulses away or what? From the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation (and a metric assload of other studies)- “The amnesia typically associated with Dissociative Identity Disorder is asymmetrical, with different identity states remembering different aspects of autobiographical information. There is usually a host personality who identifies with the client’s real name. Typically, the host personality is not aware of the presence of other alters.”So, barring extremely rare cases, if you have people who claim to be aware of their alters, share memories with their alters, or a situation where alters can talk to the host personality- THEY DON’T HAVE DISSOCIATIVE IDENITY DISORDER!! (Dude, I hate to go all Caps Lock of DOOM on you, but I cannot stress this enough. If I knew how to make it 72 point font, sparkling hot pink, with a pillar of flames coming out of the exclamation points- I would) So, by that point alone (not to mention all the many, many other inconsistencies that, if you knew anything about real mental illness, you‘d, well, know) Schizophrenia cannot be DID where both “alters” and “demons” are talking to someone. Alters cannot talk to hosts. Or you could have just used common sense to question, “Wait- if her dad beat the crap out of the guy for molesting his daughter, why would he be okay with having them in the same car together the next day?” You don’t need the “Holy Spirit” to figure out something was wrong with that memory. That doesn’t go at all against what I already mentioned about people integrating various things in their environment, coupled with previous knowledge, to figure stuff like that out on their own. Also- do you regularly engage in “tickle attacks” with vulnerable, adult women who you are not married to? Just curious… And you have access to the “throne of God”? In Illinois? As for the meds question, I posted waaaaaay back on page 8, right after you gave your original explanation of meds keeping us in bondage- That being said, you haven’t explained everything about the meds yet. I think I understand what you’re saying- If your illness is caused by demons and you ease the symptoms of that illness by medication and not by looking for relief from god, those demons never leave and so you’re never truly cured. However, I want to know what makes the medication work, if the illness is caused by demons? Are you saying that the demons only pretend that the medication is working to trick people into “bondage”? And if that’s the case (ie- you can have demons that don’t cause you any problems as long as you take your meds) why would you need to get healed by god. The demons aren’t doing anything and so you’re not suffering at all. |
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Post by valsa on Sept 19, 2009 17:10:28 GMT -5
Lonelocust... can... can I join in? I promise not to talk about it (not even to Nautical)
And by "join in", I meant the boinking.
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 19, 2009 17:16:59 GMT -5
m52nickerson
i have evidence as well in the sessions i have been involved in where many have been healed and set free. I will also be bold enough to state here as well there are parts within people here that have seen what is written and are curious as well. To these parts i write this freedom is only keystrokes away if you reveal yourselves i can help through the power of Jesus Christ.
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Post by catanon on Sept 19, 2009 17:56:59 GMT -5
valsa I called him up and he came up very briefly. Refused to talk other than say leave me alone. I had the protector take him a glass of water of life and then the demon began screaming like hell and then dissipated. What the hell? This isn't an RPG you know. There's no "water of life". There's just different substances dissolved in water. Even then, these "demons" you keep talking about are supposed to be "spiritual" or "mental", but you keep talking about them as if they're physical. If they were physical, then there would likely be photographs of such a strange thing. |
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Post by catanon on Sept 19, 2009 17:57:54 GMT -5
m52nickerson i have evidence as well in the sessions i have been involved in where many have been healed and set free. I will also be bold enough to state here as well there are parts within people here that have seen what is written and are curious as well. To these parts i write this freedom is only keystrokes away if you reveal yourselves i can help through the power of Jesus Christ. ...We're waiting for that "evidence" of yours. Care to share? |
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 19, 2009 18:41:12 GMT -5
lonelocust it appears we do not agree on a lot of things. i will get what is necessary to do skype and we can do it your way. it does not matter to me. as long as my old computer is compatable i don't see a problem. my brother knows about these things i don't.
i will tell you this that if you do call i will need to know some background information about your illness. or illnesses. as much as you think that is against the rules you have come up with. As private as it may be this is anonymous here your name isn't up it's a screen name. thats it.
as far as ignoring questions i am not that good on a computer to cut out comments and questions and answer that way so yes some may get unanswered.
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Post by m52nickerson on Sept 19, 2009 18:58:07 GMT -5
m52nickerson i have evidence as well in the sessions i have been involved in where many have been healed and set free. I will also be bold enough to state here as well there are parts within people here that have seen what is written and are curious as well. To these parts i write this freedom is only keystrokes away if you reveal yourselves i can help through the power of Jesus Christ. As was said please cite your evidence. I don't think you have any. People like you do far more harm then good. Personally I think you and others like you should be charged with practicing medicinal without a license. You promise people to help them with their problems and in doing so they do not seek real medical help. You are nothing more then a snake oil salesman. |
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Post by Vypernight on Sept 19, 2009 19:08:49 GMT -5
Rooms in my mind? Okay... One room has a bunch of lesbians going at it nearly all the time (With just enough time to eat, sleep, and get married). One room has roller coasters. One room has customers and other people I don't like being tortured endlessly. One room is set aside for video games. One room is where I organize my stories (Horror, fantasy, porn)and poetry (light-hearted, dark, violent) before actually writing them. And the final room is where I torture demons because they 'failed me for the last time.' Ha!~ Of course by "rooms" you obviously mean "stuff I wish would happen that's in my mind, but in no way in a 'room'" Basically, stuff I think about all the time, wishful thinking, etc. The lesbian parts are based on stories, vidoes, and accounts, such as my fiancee's past relationships (along with her dreams and thoughts of what she'd like to do to a woman if she had another chance.). |
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 19, 2009 19:16:18 GMT -5
valsa the lady about the tickle attack WAS my wife. Her part that was the tickler was a three year old named jacob. However she is not involved nor was when we were together in the ministry therefore did not know about the water of life and what it does. i had just begun the work of casting out demons after a bunch of parts had merged i would say about 20 or so so far ( i still do minister to her but we are no longer together.)
as far as those who are in iminent harm i have not come across one yet that i was not able to councel even for as much as hours until they are ok. i've even had calls at 2-3 oclock in the morning and talked to people for hours.
as youstated host cannot talk to the parts. that is mostly correct however the parts can talk to each other a lot of times i have to let them know of the others i have talked to and introduce them. at that point they meet others as well and let them know it's ok to talk to me. and no i don't have training this is just experience.
as far as her dad is concerned i would not put it past a drug addict to keep there daughter in harms way.
as far as access to the throne of God all Christians do. however the water is already there the parts just have to find it in most cases. and of course make sure it is the right water because demons like to trick them with bad water.to hide the good. This is all in the spiritual realm
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 19, 2009 19:18:34 GMT -5
valsa the lady about the tickle attack WAS my wife. Her part that was the tickler was a three year old named jacob. However she is not involved nor was when we were together in the ministry therefore did not know about the water of life and what it does. i had just begun the work of casting out demons after a bunch of parts had merged i would say about 20 or so so far ( i still do minister to her but we are no longer together.)
as far as those who are in iminent harm i have not come across one yet that i was not able to councel even for as much as hours until they are ok. i've even had calls at 2-3 oclock in the morning and talked to people for hours.
as youstated host cannot talk to the parts. that is mostly correct however the parts can talk to each other a lot of times i have to let them know of the others i have talked to and introduce them. at that point they meet others as well and let them know it's ok to talk to me. and no i don't have training this is just experience.
as far as her dad is concerned i would not put it past a drug addict to keep there daughter in harms way.
as far as access to the throne of God all Christians do. however the water is already there the parts just have to find it in most cases. and of course make sure it is the right water because demons like to trick them with bad water.to hide the good. This is all in the spiritual realm
catanon
in the spiritual realm where the parts see these demons are just as real as seeing you and me.
this is there reality as far as the evidence goes i am in strict confidence with the people i minister to however you can go on out site and ask around start a thread if you would like and ask about the things i have helped people with i'm sure they will be more than happy to share. i myself cannot share this though. however i know for a fact if you go on there the way people are on here you will be banned so go on the with respect and not being argumentative just inquisitive.
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Post by valsa on Sept 19, 2009 19:46:44 GMT -5
Wait, wait, wait. So, according to you, you basically acted as your wife's therapist before you two were together?
You know, there are rules in place in professional settings that prohibit relationships between therapists and their patients for a reason.
It's generally considered (in professional settings) unethical at best, and illegal at worst (depending on the timing of the beginning of the relationship vs. when therapy was stopped), for someone in a position of authority (like yourself) to have a romantic relationship with the vulnerable people they're in a position of authority over.
I’m more than a little horrified right now.
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 19, 2009 20:10:29 GMT -5
valsa
lets use a worse case scenario
if a girl at the age of six is raped almost on a daily basis by her father until the age of thirteen when he dies at what age and how long after should she be able to just get over thousands of rapes. or do you think that part that endured the brunt of it will still need to hold that pain until it is healed and merges? this is why it's a gift. the host part will in a lot of cases will be able to function not knowing this and/or be numb to it. it is not there pain but anothers. however the part will continue to hurt until she is healed.
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Post by valsa on Sept 19, 2009 20:56:23 GMT -5
It's still not a "gift". As I said, a "gift" would be that the abuse never happened at all.
It's what's called a "coping mechanism". It’s damn good at what it does but isn’t all fun and games, and to call it a “gift” is seriously disrespectful to the people who suffer both from abuse and from DID.
Also, you seem to think that the alter just hides and keeps that pain suppressed in all cases. Would you still call it a "gift" if the abused alter in your above example began to act out sexually, leaving the host personality to wake up in strangers’ bedrooms, having no memory of having sex with them? In some cases unprotected sex? What if the alter perpetuates the cycle of abuse by sexually molesting another child? Or if, in her anger, the abused alter alienated the host personality from everyone she knows by being violent, destructive, or by hurting others? How about if an alternate personality uses drugs? Steals something?
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