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Post by m52nickerson on Sept 19, 2009 21:12:40 GMT -5
catanon in the spiritual realm where the parts see these demons are just as real as seeing you and me. this is there reality as far as the evidence goes i am in strict confidence with the people i minister to however you can go on out site and ask around start a thread if you would like and ask about the things i have helped people with i'm sure they will be more than happy to share. i myself cannot share this though. however i know for a fact if you go on there the way people are on here you will be banned so go on the with respect and not being argumentative just inquisitive. Evidence would not mean testimonials from the people you have conned into believing your crap. We are talking about tangible evidence. Some type of scientific proof that demons, as you describe them, exists. So, do you have any of that? |
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 19, 2009 21:51:52 GMT -5
VALSA?
wow hold on here. i guess i worded it wrong. my wife and i were together 17 years got married 1-11-00. This session in question was i would say maybe six months or so. right before she took off on me for the last time. Although we are not together and there are a lot of issues i need to heal from from what she has done i still minister to her. I would not stop that because of the little parts. They are comfortable with working with me and not with anyone else.
although some parts are mad because we are not together we still have that bond.
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 19, 2009 22:08:12 GMT -5
Valsa
i take it you are the host and this really upsets you that parts can do this. if i am wrong i apologize I have never experienced this my self but have helped many through it. The part that is doing this and it could be a few. is hurting so much and that is how they feel love. This is not something against you but could be something against herself as well. a lot of girls who have been hurt in this fashion think that sleeping with other men is getting love from them because that is what the perpetrator had said to her. have you ever woke up in this position being called another name or a nickname that is associated with you?The part could even go by your name. That part is aware of our conversations here so write her a letter and tell her how you feel. How this makes you feel when this happens. And the part that is doing this i would like for you to write to Valsa and tell her your feelings.
valsa it is time now to deal with this you are strong enough now. I would also like for the part to write me here or in an email but when doing so please identify yourself at the bottom of the email or in it that way i don't confuse the two of you. Also what is your age?
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Post by m52nickerson on Sept 19, 2009 22:15:31 GMT -5
nautical999
Perhaps you did not see my last post, if not take a look and answer the question please.
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 19, 2009 23:29:31 GMT -5
m52nickerson
do you have proof that your ancestors came here from another country? Is there scientific proof of a big bang or evolution to mankind? is there scientific proof of where you will go when you die?
Science is beginning to prove the accounts in the bible such as noahs flood and the plagues of israel. Science has already proven that when someone dies a very small amount of weight leaves the body when you die. is there proof of where it goes? no. But by faith i know that it is either heaven or hell. Which wone do you want to go to?
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Post by valsa on Sept 19, 2009 23:30:31 GMT -5
Ok, you’re telling me that you’ve been together with your wife for 17 years, but she doesn’t know anything about what you do at your ministry? You’ve never talked to her about it before 6 months ago? You can’t have your story both ways. Either-
1) You’re wife of 17 years knows absolutely nothing about what you do at your church and so wouldn’t know anything about the “water of life” per your “session” 6 months ago.
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2) You have talked to your wife about it, even in passing, so she probably did know what the whole “water of life” thing was about, and your previous story is not proof that she was “healed” even without knowing what the water was supposed to do.
Which is it?
*headdesk* No. I do not have DID. I think I would have mentioned it before now if I actually suffered from the real DID. However, I have read books (first-hand accounts) of specific cases, pseudo-textbook-ish books about the phenomena itself, and case studies published in psychiatric journals about patients with DID, so I hate to see it portrayed as a “good thing”. It’s the lesser of two evils, nothing greater. By the way, what have you read on the subject (Bible doesn‘t count)?
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Post by catanon on Sept 20, 2009 1:48:56 GMT -5
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Post by lonelocust on Sept 20, 2009 2:42:24 GMT -5
Lonelocust... can... can I join in? I promise not to talk about it (not even to Nautical) And by "join in", I meant the boinking. Of course. I couldn't be selfish enough to keep Helena Bonham-Carter all to myself. Or all to myself plus my other personalities. :-D |
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Post by lonelocust on Sept 20, 2009 3:04:02 GMT -5
lonelocust it appears we do not agree on a lot of things. i will get what is necessary to do skype and we can do it your way. it does not matter to me. as long as my old computer is compatable i don't see a problem. my brother knows about these things i don't. i will tell you this that if you do call i will need to know some background information about your illness. or illnesses. as much as you think that is against the rules you have come up with. As private as it may be this is anonymous here your name isn't up it's a screen name. thats it. as far as ignoring questions i am not that good on a computer to cut out comments and questions and answer that way so yes some may get unanswered. How about this - we will set some time frame (maybe 45 minutes?) for which we each get to be the questioner and the questionee. So after we agree on that, when we get on the phone I will get 45 minutes to question you. You will agree to not try to derail the conversation, and you will answer my questions as honestly as possible, as I ask them. In such a context, as opposed to on the computer where you can't be bothered to answer point-by-point when I present my questions and comments in an organized fashion, I can keep asking you again. When I am done with my allotted time, then it can be your turn. I will answer your questions as you ask them. I will even refrain from pointing out how you are using dishonest techniques or an uninformed view of psychology. I will limit myself only to pointing out logical fallacies when I must do so to answer your questions correctly. And if i stray from this and start blabbing about cold reading techniques or whatever, you can feel free to remind me that I promised not to so that I can stop. You misinterpreted my comment about private information, but I shouldn't really be surprised and can't even think of an easy way to explain it given your paradigm. I am very purposefull open about my mental illness, even though it's sometimes hard to be because there is a societal stigma on mental illness, and treating mental illness with medication, that there is not for more obviously physical illnesses. It is my intellectual belief that being depressed or bipolar is essentially the same as having diabetes - it kind of sucks, it can be treated and that's awesome, and there shouldn't be any problem with saying that you have it and that you treat it and the treatment works. Sometimes, because I know many people do judge mental problems as a weakness of personality and will (even though they are wrong), I feel a little uncomfortable talking about it, but I purposefully don't take that into account. You will be talking to me perfectly medicated. I'm about the most well-adjusted human being on the planet when I'm on my medication, so I'm afraid the experience will be disappointing for you. |
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Post by lonelocust on Sept 20, 2009 3:36:33 GMT -5
I am not m52nickerson, but I can answer. [quote[do you have proof that your ancestors came here from another country?[/quote] Yes Yes Oh my yes. No, which is why I believe nothing about that. No, it is not. There's no evidence that the Israelis were ever even in Egypt as a people, and the flood is possibly the most scientifically implausible myth in the entire Bible. Absolutely everything we know about everything - biology, geology, climatology, ecology - is impossible to reconcile with the flood. Oh good freaking monkey brains in a bottle. I cannot believe that anyone would still say that. No, it has not. This was a fraud more than 100 years old. Well, less of a "fraud", and something more like you - taking the most spurious of evidence, discarding everything to the contrary, and reinforcing the belief that was wanted. There's no proof - or even vague indication - that it exists at all. I believe "it" goes nowhere, because "it" does not exist, given the lack of evidence to the contrary. (I will be tickled pink if I am wrong, however, as life is pretty sweet, and I'd like to have more of it, but there is no reason besides wishful thinking to believe that is the case.) No, you don't "know". You believe. You believe without evidence. And seriously, how do people not realize that threatening others with THINGS THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN is not effective threats. Atheists, or people who believe something different about the afterlife than you do, do not believe in the threat you're making. Give me some EVIDENCE of your thing I don't believe in - convince me it exists first - before you threaten me with it. This is not so hard to understand. On the off chance that you are actually ignorant out of circumstances and not out of choice or ignoring what people have actually told you in the past, here's some help on the evidence: The weight of the soul thing: www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp (good sources can be found in the citations at the bottom) Overview of origins from the big bang to man getting where we are now: www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=100500E4C9404405Origins with a little more detail about the evidence: www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=0696457CAFD6D7C9www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=8CCB1B687F15357C&search_query=cdk007+evidence+for+evolutionAnd if you can stomach it (this does not try to be neutral or nice to religionists such as yourself), why you're so wrong it hurts about the flood: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sD_7rxYoZYwww.youtube.com/watch?v=FfSvktyxVYAwww.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wa_ey3jGPsNow, I suspect that you won't watch them, and if you do and actually hear any of your bizarre claims refuted you'll go on claiming the same things forever and never acknowledging what was told. If you have any actual questions, I care enough about science education - even for people who are apparently so far gone into fantasy worlds that I personally have no hope that they will ever emerge - that I'd be happy to answer actual questions. |
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Post by m52nickerson on Sept 20, 2009 4:03:47 GMT -5
Still waiting for that evidence you promised us... *EDIT*: Ah~ My first thorough refutation on FSTDT. It feels good. All I can say is.......  |
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Post by m52nickerson on Sept 20, 2009 4:14:27 GMT -5
I am not m52nickerson, but I can answer. You see nautical999 anyone here can refute your uneducated and unsubstantiated claims. As I said before, your kind does more harm then good. You lead people to believe that you can help them when you only prevent them from seeking real help. You give people an excuse to remain uneducated and ignorant. One of, if not the major problem in this world. |
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 20, 2009 8:45:18 GMT -5
well to all i still stand on my beliefs and saying one scientist disproves another and this one disproves that one doesn't prove either case.
valsa
My wife had no interest in the ministry. She did go on some trips with me however did not participate. She could have heard a bunch of things however the water of life i know for a fact she had no knowledge of. The water of life incident was only a few weeks ago the tickle attack was 6 months ago. I have have read many books on deliverance The shining man ( which you can read online) They shall expel demons by derek prince, A more excellant way by henry w wright, demons the answer book by lester sumrall, pigs in the parlor by hammond, Also a long list of books by Bob larson, videos and all. Each book and for that matter each deliverance minister has things to add with what works for them. The book Shinig Man with hurt hands is put out by ellis skolfield and documents some deliverance sessions he had done online. The issue of the water of life in the systems was foriegn to me. I knew of water and oceans and islands and rivers and fountains but never had the parts explore them. I just figured they were part of the landscape. However after reading that book i had parts in numerous people actually test the water and see what it would do. I read the book only a couple months ago. After she had left. There is no way she could have known about it.
A couple of these books have some good information on DID i would reccommend the shining man. Especially with your interest in the subject of mental illness.
lonelocust
your time frame works for me as to splitting up the time. However i would schedule more time if possible. I have had sessions last hours. And perfectly medicated is good. it is hard to understand some when they are not doing good emotionally. i will talk to my brother today at church about this skype and see if it would be compatable with my computer.
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Post by Bezron on Sept 20, 2009 8:45:44 GMT -5
I believe it was Leo Burnett (big, old school name in advertising, still has an agency with his name on it) who said:"You have to take the product and build a religion around it, THAT'S how you create brands."
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 20, 2009 9:41:28 GMT -5
m52nickerson unless you can refrain from a personal assault rather than a discussion on beliefs or facts i will just ignore you here. I do not appreciate being called names like fundie, ignorant, uneducated or anything else. I give everyone here respect and would like the same. Thank you
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