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Post by m52nickerson on Sept 24, 2009 11:15:15 GMT -5
lonelocust we can debate healing until we are both blue in the face. i have heard of many healings. Testimonies from people at church and so on. Why don't we just tweek this conversation to add in what i would call Gods healings and include miracles witnessed by doctors and the world and have no explanation as to why someone would still be alive or had made it through what they made it through even when the doctors gave up. The good ol' God of the Gaps argument. Just because something happened in which the mechanism is not understood or known does not mean God did it. The same argument could be used to support Zeus, or any other god. You still fail to understand. Science is not about belief. You accepting scientific finding or not does not change reality. Oh.......and humans and frogs do share a common ancestor, since we are both vertebrates. ....and you do? o'really! Not judging, but you say they can't believe both? Well all the people who do just that say you are wrong. |
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 24, 2009 11:26:31 GMT -5
if a person bases what they know about Jesus from the bible and believe He is the Son of God and that the bible was true on this, why not believe the bible on the rest of what it says. Animals are His creation not the creator. If we go with the theory that we were made just like God and He is a monkey then how the heck could He have been smart enough to create anything. He would actually be as stupid as lets say A MONKEY. I know this wasn't you're comment but thought i would throw it in.
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 24, 2009 11:29:34 GMT -5
i'm sure there are many animals out there that may have some characteristic that humans have but it doesn't mean we originated from one animal to the next. Just like the cat and dog aren't ancestors of each other either.
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Post by m52nickerson on Sept 24, 2009 11:46:22 GMT -5
if a person bases what they know about Jesus from the bible and believe He is the Son of God and that the bible was true on this, why not believe the bible on the rest of what it says. Animals are His creation not the creator. If we go with the theory that we were made just like God and He is a monkey then how the heck could He have been smart enough to create anything. He would actually be as stupid as lets say A MONKEY. I know this wasn't you're comment but thought i would throw it in. Why not believe the rest? Number 1 because it is contradictory of evidence that we find. Do you understand that even if a person believes that we are made in God's image it does not mean that a common decent could have taken place as part of our creation. That is what many people believe. They believe that evolution was guided by God. Here is a direct question.......What do you think everything is made of and why? Your argument about if God was a monkey he would only be that smart makes absolutely no sense. Unless of course you will argue that God is only as smart as Humans. |
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Post by m52nickerson on Sept 24, 2009 12:01:46 GMT -5
i'm sure there are many animals out there that may have some characteristic that humans have but it doesn't mean we originated from one animal to the next. Just like the cat and dog aren't ancestors of each other either. Wrong again. Cats and Dogs share a common ancestor. In fact all life on the planet shares a common ancestor. You might want to read this to start. (and I mean read, not skim) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_history_of_life |
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 24, 2009 12:44:42 GMT -5
lol
m52nickerson everything is made of the dust of the ground that is why when we die that is how we end. if we were made up of anything else then we would turn to that after death. If you look at my comment and yours they are arguing two spectrums. I am stating that a monkey for one could not creat anything other than it's own offsprings. And if it could could not create sopmething so much more smarter than it. You are arguing that God would only be as smart as humans. It takes God being smarter than us to create what we can not create. No human or monkey can just say to itself ok i think i will create a human now and there it is right in front of him. God can and did.
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Post by m52nickerson on Sept 24, 2009 13:03:50 GMT -5
lol m52nickerson everything is made of the dust of the ground that is why when we die that is how we end. if we were made up of anything else then we would turn to that after death. What is the dust made of? What is the basic building block of matter? Correct, as long as by create you are talking only about reproduction as many apes do create simple tools. So no offspring my be smarter then its parent? No, I stated that that is what your monkey argument would mean. So you mean that things that create what humans can't must be smarter? If so does that mean that since we can't create kittens without a female cat, cats must be smarter? Really God did....citation needed. Oh, no one believes that a monkey has ever given birth to a human. People who claim that is what evolution states do not understand evolution. Evolution does not work on individuals. It works on populations over long periods of time through a process of natural selection. |
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Post by Mordeak on Sept 24, 2009 14:02:47 GMT -5
i'm sure there are many animals out there that may have some characteristic that humans have but it doesn't mean we originated from one animal to the next. Just like the cat and dog aren't ancestors of each other either. Cats don't come from dogs, dogs don't come from cats. They share a common ancestor that was neither a dog or a cat. You must realize that this common ancestor between dogs and cats is thousands of generations separated from what we now know to be our loving pets. This also explains why we have so many things in common with animals. A very long time ago (more then a mere 6000 years), all living things had the same common ancestor. And no, this ancestor probably wasn't the only living thing at that time. It was the most adapted to it's environment. There are some things you must understand: - Evolution is not an explanation of the origin of all life, it's the explanation on how every living thing came to be as we know it now
- Evolution is not a thinking thing or person. It is an explanation.
- Evolution is not a religion. It does not want anything from us (see point 2), it does not want us to worship it, it does not define anything but the diversity of life. It is an explanation
I'm not an expert on this subject, but it's not hard to understand evolution. It is, however, hard to think that some entity got bored and poofed us in existence. |
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Post by m52nickerson on Sept 24, 2009 14:48:02 GMT -5
I'm not an expert on this subject, ....but it is clear that you know a good amount! |
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 24, 2009 15:51:02 GMT -5
or just maybe the creator of all things is one Being and created all things tweeking this and that.
If you look at bombs you can tell who has made what bomb by how they do it and what they use. There signature is in there work. So is Gods.
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Post by m52nickerson on Sept 24, 2009 15:54:38 GMT -5
or just maybe the creator of all things is one Being and created all things tweeking this and that. If you look at bombs you can tell who has made what bomb by how they do it and what they use. There signature is in there work. So is Gods. Again, please provde evidance that points to God as creator. Without evidance it is pure conjecture. |
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 24, 2009 16:34:12 GMT -5
THE BIBLE
The word that is not good enough for those here. it has to be in some text book with this or that to validate it
This reminds me of a story about a documents forger He was said to be the best in his business and would ever so often forge documents that were contrary to what people had believed but first would do some to validate the writer and then come out with some outlandish stuff. Who is to say the first person who was on this kick was even a validatable person. Just because his peers say so, cause we all know that my peers saying cudos about me wouldn't work here. so why theres?
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Post by Bezron on Sept 24, 2009 16:45:55 GMT -5
So the bible is the word of god because it says so in the bible, right? So the bible (which proclaims itself to be the word of god) says god created everything?
Am I getting this straight? I often get lost on circular logic. You'll have to do better than that...
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Post by Mordeak on Sept 24, 2009 16:58:44 GMT -5
or just maybe the creator of all things is one Being and created all things tweeking this and that. If you look at bombs you can tell who has made what bomb by how they do it and what they use. There signature is in there work. So is Gods. You are comparing a human construct to life itself? Tell me, does that bomb run off after it's made and produce baby bombs? Does it have to feed itself? Does it get cold in the winter? And if your god created everything, please direct me to wear I can find the signature on my body that says "produced by god". And by the way, you have just proven that you didn't read my previous post. You are talking about abiogenesis, not evolution. |
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Post by Thejebusfire on Sept 24, 2009 17:17:27 GMT -5
lol m52nickerson everything is made of the dust of the ground that is why when we die that is how we end. if we were made up of anything else then we would turn to that after death. I'm made of blood and cells amoung other genetic materials, not dust. But where did the bomb maker come from? Somebody gave birth to them. Somebody taught them to make bombs. So, where could god have came from? And I believe the big bang was an expansion of matter and not a "bang" at all. Besides, it makes more sense to me than a god poping us into being for no other reason than to just worship him. |
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