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Post by m52nickerson on Oct 6, 2009 19:51:38 GMT -5
lonelocust in the beginning i described to you what dissociative parts see inside. Rooms, people which in your case you say friends but more than likely in the cases i have been involved in the friends in the system are actually demons masquerading as friends. also in the system are demons and water. trees and all as well. these aren't just dreams that you are having they are part of the dissociation. Dissociation can happen from more than just torture or extreme or long term abuse. it can happen whenever a child or adult can not handle the situation they are in. A lot of times in sexual abuse, abandonment by a parent, rejection by peers, physical abuse by parents or any number of things that do not constitute torture. I think the only thing that is documented are the worse cases. Others who deal good with it and have no idea that they have it do not seek help. I will tell you this though your depression stems from something more than just standing in the corner That depression is deep rooted and and the pain that it is from is tied to a dissociative part. People such as you really should be brought up on practicing medicine without a license. |
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Post by nautical999 on Oct 6, 2009 20:14:34 GMT -5
yes depression can be 100% cured.
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Oct 6, 2009 20:16:19 GMT -5
Really now? Just like alcoholism can be 100% cured? Just because you ain't drinkin', it don't mean you ain't an alcoholic anymore; you're a recovering alcoholic, and will be for the rest of your life.
Or so a recovering alcoholic told me.
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Post by nautical999 on Oct 6, 2009 20:18:25 GMT -5
m52 nickerson
the only reason this has gotten such anger out of the folks here is it is a statement that will have everyone thinking of themselves and the things they go through and don't even admit in this thread. There are more than what is spoken here. Those who are holding back are only hurting themselves. as they sit on there high horse crying foul.
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Post by ironbite on Oct 6, 2009 20:30:03 GMT -5
yes depression can be 100% cured. Prove it. Ironbite-now. |
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Oct 6, 2009 20:31:17 GMT -5
m52 nickerson the only reason this has gotten such anger out of the folks here is it is a statement that will have everyone thinking of themselves and the things they go through and don't even admit in this thread. There are more than what is spoken here. Those who are holding back are only hurting themselves. as they sit on there high horse crying foul. WTF?! Speaking for myself, I do not have trauma in my past. Unless you count my grandfather dying when I was FUCKING 14 MONTHS OLD. I got over it, I grew up, I forgot him as children <3 years old are wont to do. And yeah, I'm fucking PISSED at you. From your abuse of certain words, you're a quack who opened a psychology textbook, highlighted the key terms, and decided to throw them out in a jumbled word salad while "diagnosing" people left and right. |
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Post by valsa on Oct 6, 2009 20:44:35 GMT -5
I neither suffer from depression nor do I take medication for it. Why did you think I had DID?
Nautical, then tell me, oh wise one, since you apparently don't give a damn what actual, trained psychiatrists consider the diagnostic definitions of various disorders- how do you know someone is suffering from depression? Do you use the same checklist of symptoms that mental health professionals do or do you throw chicken bones into a fire and divine the diagnosis from that?
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Post by Rime on Oct 6, 2009 20:53:23 GMT -5
Isn't it obvious? You have to depend on him for guidance and direction. He's cured hundreds, he wouldn't steer you wrong!
Cries from the aisles
the tolling of the judgement bell
Eyes watched the violence
the absence of those who have
seen, marks the faith of the spell
Cold is the viper
stalking the night for the heat
It must find
Time is the promise
delivered with stunning consistency
line after line, time after time
the innocent victim awaits...
Please take my hand
Don't be afraid
I am your master
You are my slave
Voices are calling me back
Back to the day
Footsteps had followed
Me faster... listen
Screams from a new love
the passion was burning, it singed in a stare
Free under the night sun
The fear of the hunger will always be there in my mind
Time after time the morning will close a new page
Please take my hand
Don't be afraid
I am your master
You are my slave
Follow the impulse you have
I'll show you the way
Forget what you've learned in the past now
Listen and...
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Oct 6, 2009 21:10:40 GMT -5
So if he somehow cures us, our souls are in debt to him, and then he can transfer them to whoever his master is.
Sounds Biblical to me!
No I have no idea where I was going with that.
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Post by Rime on Oct 6, 2009 21:17:55 GMT -5
Well, I'm the filthy atheist, I'd always steer you wrong because I didn't ask God if he approves of my post.  As I was reading nautical's last post, queensryche came screaming that song with perfect clarity. My apologies  |
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Post by Amaranth on Oct 6, 2009 21:37:18 GMT -5
yes depression can be 100% cured. Science disagrees. You ever met our good friend science? Do you understand how harmful what you are doing can be? |
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Post by lonelocust on Oct 6, 2009 21:42:48 GMT -5
lonelocust in the beginning i described to you what dissociative parts see inside. Which was A) Made up and having nothing to do with what people who actually study abnormal psychology have to say about it B) Nothing like what the thing was that I came up to fit your "rooms" just to play along in good faith C) Not applicable to me. In the cases you dealt with/ Cases like this, where you were wrong, but with a whole lot of hammering and pouding you decide you are right anyway, and then declare they were demons for no good reason? Also, once again, the things you described were nothing at all like my dreams, much less some sort of thing I can "see" while awake. So the existence of water and trees somewhere proves demons? Is this your proof that real life is full of demons and not just dreams? Because water and trees are pretty much around, and a normal thing to have around in dreams. OFFER EVIDENCE IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT Says you. Not says real abnormal psychologists and decades of study. You are wrong. A) No it can't. Please offer evidence. And if you're going to offer "your experience", please explain AS YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED MANY TIMES, whether you consider me telling you my dreams and you concluding that you've found my secret repressed Christian alternate personality to be the sort of "experience" you are talking about. B) Exactly how fragile do you think the average human psyche is that apparently EVERYONE experiences situations that they "can't handle"? C) What evidence do you have that I or anyone in particular wasn't able to handle and deal with stuff in life? WRONG! And again, this is why we are aware of dissociative disorders that are less severe than DID. It's a lesser case of the same sort of psychological break, because cases have been studied of all sorts of manners of severity. Not to mention tons of people who have gone through severe torturous abuse that *don't* dissociate. DID is a very rare condition, but EVERY case that has ever been seen is due to extreme and prolonged abuse/torture. Once again, you are wrong in so many ways. Psychologists have seen LOTS of people who have less severe dissociative disorders. Also tons of people go to therapy over comparatively trivial goings-on (I have no problem with that personally), and people that are just going to therapy to talk about how they feel rejected or emotionally abused have NEVER, even once, been found to have DID. And if people are "dealing with it", they do not have DID. Having DID makes it essentially impossible to do well at school, carry on a healthy relationship, succeed at a career, etc. Once, again, EVIDENCE! People here are uninterested in your assertions without evidence. And if you are once again going to cite your experience, tell us if you find this, right now, to be the sort of experience you are talking about. Also, the assertion that everyone with depression is dissociated is so ludicrous that it's hard to even type. Also, it's really interesting that one little pill a day gets rid of my depression (and mania) if it's tied to "a dissociative part". I guess it's those demons uhm, making it not tied to a dissociative part, to trick me into relying on man, who makes this little well-tested pharmaceutical. Just like it's the demons opting to not give me diarrhea when I drink treated water, to trick me into not relying on god to give me clean water, but instead relying on man and man's water treatment plants. Or demons deciding to stop giving me a headache if I take an Advil, to trick me into relying on man who made that ibuprofen. Or demons deciding to not make me freeze if I turn on the heater to trick me into relying on man who captures natural gas and delivers it to me in a pipe instead of relying on god to heat my house. |
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Post by lonelocust on Oct 6, 2009 21:50:10 GMT -5
valsa a hint that someone has gotten over there issues is living without the depression that lonelocust is masking with medication So tell me, do demons attack rhesus monkeys? Or do rhesus monkeys get DID? Because monkeys with low serotonin levels in their brains behave like depressed humans, and the same SSRIs that work on many depressed humans work on monkeys that display the same symptoms. Isn't that weird? Why, it's as if depression is often caused by neurochemistry. And you never answered my question as to whether you believe anything that science has discovered about neurochemistry. Not that I expect you to know what any of that stuff is. So what, given absolutely no information about her other than that she declared she could see demons on me, made you declare that my mother had DID? Yeah, actually the government is pretty picky about its spies, and someone couldn't really make it as a spy while suffering from DID. "At different stages in there[sic] life"? So if someone changes carreers at some point, it's because they have DID and one of the identities was a secretary, one a college student, and one an engineer? Yeah. Let me just take a wild guess here and say that you believe in the Illuminati/New World Order. |
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Post by lonelocust on Oct 6, 2009 22:04:03 GMT -5
yes depression can be 100% cured. But not with just the power of Jesus, apparently. Because everyone else who has decided Jesus cured them and then got depressed again when they stopped their medication was just doing it wrong, or didn't really want to be healed. Only Captain Prak, the plumber with the revoked business license, can really bring anyone the healing of Jeebus. Just as he knows psychology better than decades of science, he can even bring Jesus better than ministers, even other crazy demon-believing ministers! He is the chosen one! ONLY HE CAN HEAL YOUR DEPRESSIONS OR YOUR DIDS EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE ONE OR BOTH OF THOSE ZOMG! |
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Post by valsa on Oct 6, 2009 22:16:33 GMT -5
So tell me, do demons attack rhesus monkeys? Or do rhesus monkeys get DID? Because monkeys with low serotonin levels in their brains behave like depressed humans, and the same SSRIs that work on many depressed humans work on monkeys that display the same symptoms. Really? That is awesome (er, not that depressed monkeys are awesome, because the thought of sad little monkeys makes me kind of sad, but it is a nifty little thing to learn) |
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