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Post by nautical999 on Sept 17, 2009 10:16:23 GMT -5
lonelocust
these rooms are yours not mine to see into. in order for me to help you through them you need to tell me what is in them. I know one has weapons on the wall. An arsenal of medieval weapons for torture and pain.
as far as your mom she does have DID the voices she hears are ones of demons and ones of her personalities. Call her and ask her if she hears children or even others screaming in pain. This is other personalities or known as parts of the person. The demons are the ones hurting and causing the pain and fear.
when you asked what the demons do to her my first thought was rape. Again like i said i am NOT a psychic. I work with a person and help them see what is in there syatem and how to get out of it. help them see what is behind the darkness. and what is in it. With your mother being a christian and having the authority over these demons it will be so much easier to help her than with a non believer. Also your mothers personalities are the ones that see the people doing the things to her. Your mothers room is different from all of theres. and room i mean inside the mind.
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Post by lonelocust on Sept 17, 2009 10:43:27 GMT -5
Several swings and several misses again, Nautical. I was able to come up with something to fit into your presented idea of "rooms" to again give you a chance, but in that, there is no room with medieval weapons for torture and pain. There's one (and, as far as I can recall, only one) extremely common object in my "rooms". Want to give a guess? (Hint: it's nothing unpleasant or "dark" at all.)
So, you're not psychic, and that is why you can't tell me about my "rooms" that you insist are there, or any identifying details of me, my mother, or my mother's reported and diagnosed illnesses. Yet, you can say that she has DID and that she has symptoms that she's never reported and doesn't exhibit, and that she sees things that she's never told anyone she sees or reacted to. But you can't tell me what she HAS reported and what she HAS described to me in detail on multiple occasions, because you're not psychic.
So what is it that lets you know these things that you claim she HAS experienced and seen that differentiates it from "psychic" abilities which would let you know the things she has ACTUALLY experienced and ACTUALLY seen? Why can you do the one and not the other? Does your god grant you the wisdom and knowledge only of things she hasn't told anyone ever, even when telling people all about what she sees?
And as I've said multiple times, my mother has described to me in detail her hallucinations about demons. You've not tried to give me any description of the demons (other than that they appear as people who have hurt her in the past or that she thinks have hurt her, which is wrong). You've not hit correctly on anything in the detailed descriptions I have received from her (see, when someone's already told you something, you don't call them and ask them specifically if it's actually not the thing you've heard all about that they told you, but rather another thing entirely unless you're looking to put ideas into their heads). That's because you're "not psychic", but whatever your source of non-psychic knowledge is that gives you details about things my mother has never reported even when she went into great and excruciating detail about you're CERTAIN she's actually seen and experienced but just never mentioned. Explain that to me.
And she had been going with your model of "deliverance" and similar things for years and years, with no help on anything at all with her mental problems. Then some psychiatric medicine, and BAM!, basically erasing the symptoms of one of her mental illnesses. How does that work? Years of using the authority she has in Jesus to get rid of demons, to no effect, then medicine to effect. What's your explanation of that? Not doing it right because she's not you? Why can you do it, but she can't?
Also, you didn't answer my question regarding how medicine keeps the demons at bay. How does that work?
Also, I think I have decided to take you up on your proposal of a telephone conversation, but don't want you to have my telephone number. Therefore I propose Skype. If you're not familiar, it's an online telephone (and theoretically video) chat. If you have a PC microphone and speaker (a headset is best), then you can install and use it very easily. It's getting close to my bedtime, but perhaps we could schedule it for Saturday.
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 17, 2009 11:19:03 GMT -5
bezron
i have never charged anything for my ministry and never would. I even travel on my own dollar.
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 17, 2009 11:25:50 GMT -5
lonelocust
i do not have the pc microphone and all that just call me with a blocked number *67 will block your number from being read on any phone. i will pm you the number
also are you sure you have seen ALL the rooms are they rooms or caves or what? are there numerous floors a basement or another house that has not been seen yet? if there are windows you can look out and see up and down and count the floors
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 17, 2009 11:28:01 GMT -5
lonelocust
the residence in these rooms are youngers you's even sometimes going by different names They are the ones who hold the pain for the things that have happened to you. Do you know which one is the core person?
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Post by Bezron on Sept 17, 2009 11:40:45 GMT -5
bezron i have never charged anything for my ministry and never would. I even travel on my own dollar. Like I said, you are probably not doing it consciously, because you seem like a pretty nice, calm guy. However, do you accept donations of any sort? Do you represent a church that accepts donations or offerings? Do you write and sell books or pamphlets? Anything along those lines. The system was designed long before you or I ever walked the earth, mostly by the Catholic church in the middle-ages. It's why they are so rich, and why religion overall is such big business. Even the Good Book has an admonishment to tithing (10% off the top belongs to God). Also, dude, edit your phone number out of that post and PM it to Lonelocust. Post back here if you need help and I can walk you through it (no offense, some folks just don't know how to use PM systems) |
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 17, 2009 11:47:57 GMT -5
lonlocust
your mother has the same thing however she is one of the ones in the room. You need to ask the one who is out and in the host position while things are going good to explain the things that are going on. you may only talk to here when things are haywire or only hear about it when one of the personalities is up and feels comfortable to talk to you but there are more and i wouldn't see any harm with allowing her to talk to me under the same conditions of anonymity. calling blocked.
we'll discuss it when you call.
as far as describing the demons there are so many demons that look so many different ways.
as far as the medicine the demons want you on the medicine rather than looking to Jesus for help. it is relying on man .
call you mom and ask her to step outside the door of the room she is in and tell you what she sees
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 17, 2009 11:50:31 GMT -5
bezron
did it my mistake.. I do attend a church that does take offering however i do not get any of it i am just a member there. The only gift i have ever accepted was a client that was really greatful and offered me money then offered to get my kids a gift card somewhere. She got them a 50.00 gift card to walmart and they really enjoyed spending it. And enjoyed it more that they had money left over after getting what they wanted.
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Post by Bezron on Sept 17, 2009 11:51:50 GMT -5
Click on her user name and then click on send private message
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Post by lonelocust on Sept 17, 2009 12:31:34 GMT -5
My mother has the same thing as what?
To repeat, I have only the most limited (on purpose by me) of contact with my mother. I will not be calling her and asking her anything. If you mention this again, I will not acknowledge it. To repeat a second time, although I gave up long ago on my mother abandoning her religious paradigm and do not actively attempt to dissuade her from it in any way, I will not put her into contact with anyone who would validate her delusions. Since you seem to be unable to listen, that means you. I believe you are delusional in a very similar way to that which my mother is. While I know that she has many people to validate her beliefs that all her problems are not the result of her behaviours and situational variables and mental illness, I will absolutely not put you into contact with her. This has nothing to do with her privacy (she could make that decision on her own) and everything to do with the fact that though I believe she will never stop living in a fantasy world where demons cause her problems, I will not encourage it. Again, do not ask me again. Further bringing up of this topic will be ignored.
Now please answer my question as to why "psychic" powers would allow you to give me accurate, identifiable information, but your source of knowledge only allows you to see things which have amazingly never been told by my mother to anyone (in her case), or that are just completely wrong (in my case). One more time, I have personally had her describe what she is hallucinating (in your words, what she is seeing) or has hallucinated/seen in the past. She has many people that share your and her paradigm of demons and validate that that she has been through all of this with for years, and again, she hasn't related any of the things you insist she has actually seen. She's also been through it with mental health professionals (though she through off the doctor who diagnosed her with schizophrenia and thereafter would only see a counsellor who shared her fundamentalist beliefs and validated her religiously-based delusion instead of helping her face reality), and again, none of the stuff that you've shared. If this is what she sees, why has she never told anyone? And if your source of knowledge is not "psychic", what is it? And why can it only see things that she's never ever told anyone (despite going on at length to multiple people for long periods of time, repeatedly), and things that are not true of me at all?
And no, I have spoken to my mother in many many states of mind. So have other people - including people who, like you and she, believe her mental illness related problems that can't be solved with medicine are the work of demons. Or that she's really seeing demons and not hallucinating. Etc. Why do you insist that I am lying about the level and breadth of detail that I have on this?
So, the demons want me to have the TERRIBLE BONDAGE of taking one little pill once a day which sort of makes me sleep heavy and otherwise makes me able to be the most well-adjusted person on the planet (so far as I can tell), rather than deciding to ignore the medicine and make me essentially able to function at all emotionally? Taking two seconds of my day and $25 of my money a month is more evil than making me a crazy mess when my life is going great? Or are demons not really into evil or ruining people's lives these days?
Nope, never seen anyone in my rooms that wasn't me or someone I brought there.
Also I don't have held-in pain for things that have happened to you. As with all people, there are things that have happened to me that have hurt me. Some I have gotten over and no longer carry any problems, some are unacceptable but good opportunities to learn if nothing else what things are not acceptable to allow into my life, and some drive me to do all the good I possibly can in the world to minimize similar things effecting other people. And some hurt in a melancholy but beautiful way, and I cherish the parts of me that let them hurt me, because they are beautiful.
I am sorry - no, that's not true - I am terribly pleased to report that no dark clouds or deep lake of pain define or cloud or drown my life. But you have to create that darkness, and convince me that it is there, so that you can try to make me think I need your imaginary friend to save me from it. Even though it doesn't exist at all at this point.
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Post by lonelocust on Sept 17, 2009 12:37:16 GMT -5
I will consider again whether to have a telephone call since you cannot do Skype. Also I wish to inform you that if I do, I will be recording the conversation, for posterity.
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Post by valsa on Sept 17, 2009 13:21:15 GMT -5
I'm sure we can tangent off into definitions of sentience and epistemology regarding what is and is not sentient. I am willing to have this discussion if you want to, or to drop the subject if it upsets you. Rock on. I never intended this discussion to stay on one defined point. It was more of a “let’s see where the conversation takes us” kinda thing. To be clear, I don't think a human who is severely retarded is sentient. This horrifies a lot of people, but I feel that horror is a gut reaction and not a head reaction, when coming from people who don't hold all animals to be sentient. HA! Someone said it before me! *cough* Sorry, I tend to hold rather Draconian views on a couple things like this and I’m so used to those gut reaction of “You’re a heartless bitch” that it geeks me to find someone with a similar view. Anyway, my definition of sentience is very similar to your’s (and not to derail the conversation further but what is your take on sociopaths- sentient or not? I go back and forth on that one and I think I‘ve finally arrived at the personal conclusion “Technically sentient, but not in the ways that matter most”) Although, since you mentioned not eating primates, I was surprised to learn after researching (because my friend said humans were supposed to be herbivores because apes don’t eat meat, and I was pretty sure that was wrong) that most, if not all primates, do eat meat in some form or another. And the most surprising thing of all- wild chimps have been observed hunting small monkeys. That blew my mind. Also, I am not part of the egg industry, and the activists aren't interested in changing it (generally), just shutting it down completely. I agree, that’s why I do take into consideration that their video is going to be skewed towards their own aims. That being said, I’m as equally appalled by the live grinding itself, as I am the few chicks who didn’t make it into the grinder or didn’t die at first. I just wish the industry would look into more humane methods of killing, but they won’t because it’ll cut into their bottom line. As for putting the chicks to sleep and thus having to be around them longer making it harder for the workers to grind them, I don’t think that’d be a problem. Right now, they probably have to actually hear the sounds the chicks make as they’re ground alive- I can’t imagine anything being harder than having to hear their little “cheeps” of pain. Also- there IS no spoon *boggles* a little ocarina with a painted parrot on it Do you play anything from Legend of Zelda on there? If I had an ocarina, I’d do that all the time. |
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Post by valsa on Sept 17, 2009 13:22:51 GMT -5
vana i think it was you that asked about vegetarianism. I have always had the belief that it is up to the person on what they want to eat. Indeed I did. It’s very cool that you’re okay with vegetarianism. I see a lot of religious people who take the phrase “Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, and subdue it” to mean “vegetarianism is against god”, so it’s nice to see a differing opinion on that. it is funny that some will reject the fact of one true God and will accept the many gods thing. The reason I always really liked pagan religions is because many of them believe that there is more than one path to divinity. They don’t reject your god necessarily, so much as they don’t feel that he’s the god for them (they do reject the claim he’s the only true god) When I was a pagan, I believed that as long as you were a good person by the standards of your religion, then you would go to whatever good afterlife you believe in. All that being said, I hope you can understand that there’s no better objective reason to choose your god than there is to choose pagan/Wiccan gods or goddesses. Since I doubt you’d be able (or want) to divorce yourself from your Judeo-Christian beliefs long enough to look objectivity at them- let’s go with Zeus and Shiva. If you don’t know, Zeus is a Greek god and Shiva is a Hindu god. Now, if one guy were to choose to worship Zeus instead of Shiva, and another to worship Shiva instead of Zeus- would that mean either one has made the “right” decision or the “wrong” decision? There are texts that say Zeus and his pantheon are the true gods, just at there are texts that say Shiva and his group are the true gods. We have no way of knowing for sure which one of those text, if either one, is correct- so why would it make more inherent sense for someone to choose Zeus or Shiva over the other one? The only “correct” choice is what feels right to the individual and what they see as divine. It’s no different for why someone would choose pagan gods or goddesses over your god. i am not against someone using the medicine to stave off the devils until they can get help. I second (or third?) the call to explain this- if these illnesses were really demons, why would medication have any affect? Medication comes from man, not god so how would it have the power to affect the demons at all? |
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Post by tygerarmy on Sept 17, 2009 15:09:12 GMT -5
"The goggles they do nothing!"
PETA is BULLSHIT!(I'd link to the episode but I can't at work so here is the wiki synopsis:
Offers criticism toward the animal rights movement, and particular attention to the PETA organization and its ties with the ALF, an animal liberation group, classified by the FBI as a domestic terrorist organization.)
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 17, 2009 16:19:51 GMT -5
lonelocust
ok i have read all of your posts on this thread and have a couple comments to make. One being as you know this form of ministering is foreign to me. second when i had made the comment of your mother seeing demons it was not after going through and reading your former posts.
your posts speak of depression and i would guess this is the illness that is being medicated successfully. the mental illness you share with your mother i would guess would be some sort of ocd. The thing your mother saw on you if it is on your head i would guess a demon that had tentacles like the trunk of a tree.
you never did explain the false memories that you had. are they about sra
as for what the demons look like i only gave an example they show themselves in many different ways
as far as what your mother sees and hears? what she is most likely seeing is a tunnel vision and focusing on the bad and not seeing the rest of what is around her. i help people focus on the rest because the rest is what is holding the bondage. The demon is just a smoke screen so you do not focus on what will help you get set free. The reason why her deliverance was not successful is because the minister was not familiar on how to deal with the DID and the inside world. There are many ministers that will just command the demon to leave but if the demon has a legal right to be there he won't leave. Just like in the bible when Jesus commanded Legion to leave a man he did not leave at first Jesus had to talk to him and then cast him out.
your moms other delusions as you call them may be the key to unlocking the doors in her life to get help.
the other people she sees are either demons masquerading as people or they are parts of her that need healing. The onlyway to tell the difference is by how they act. If they scared like she is in this world they are most likely parts if they are honky dory and/ or inflict pain on others they are most likely demons.
As far as the fountains go? are you able to go to them? if you are what i have people do is explain the the fountains what they look like. one is actually for healing and the water comes from the throne room of God it is water of life. usually it is the only one that has running water. sometimes it is a rainbow color and other times it is blue but when you feel the water it will be tingly and i have even had parts take it and test it on a scar on them if the scar dissappears in the spiritual realm then it is the right one.
as far as navigating people through this it is like when someone is lost and you are calling someone else for directions you have to tell them where you are and what is around you for them to tell you where it is and which way you will need to go to get home. if you just call and say i'm lost and don't know where i am they won't be able to tell either. The reason why i know this stuff and make assumptions is by experience. experince tells me about the rooms and the fountains and about the parts as well. This area you are in may be hidden from the others but there are parts. Now you say that the only ones that go in these rooms is you or who you invite in are these friends from astraling or what? A lot of times when i hear this i have the person ( who is usually a christian ) command the person to reveal there true form in the name of Jesus and they will find out it's a demon they befreinded.
I want to apologize for pushing the mom thing i understand you haven't forgiven her and it is hard. Please forgive me.
taking the kids to the fair so i will be back on later tonight guys
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