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Post by Dragon Zachski on May 25, 2011 15:09:49 GMT -5
Nah, it's legal depending on where you live. Some states like my state require standardized testing, but everything that isn't learning about the test is doing whatever you want. Which is essentially what homeschooling is, unless it's online or whatever. I can tell you that unschooling is a form of homeschooling, but that otherwise, no, that's not what homeschooling is. Homeschooling is essentially that - school at home, being taught by a parent as if he or she was your teacher. It's a personal system, and depending on the parent, can be very successful. Courses can, will, and SHOULD be used, tests will be made, all that stuff. The child CAN have input in what they learn (again, depends on the parent) but otherwise should be required to learn everything someone in public school would learn. Unschooling is simply allowing the child's "desire to learn" guide them through learning by themselves and praying that it works out. |
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Post by Old Viking on May 25, 2011 15:22:23 GMT -5
Oh, yeah, this will work.
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Post by tolpuddlemartyr on May 26, 2011 0:46:34 GMT -5
RE: Unschooling.
I went to an alternative school in my later teens, their basic idea was letting kids decide what they wanted to do that day. There were two types of kids - the punk rockers who were generally the nicer kids and the Collingwood Mafia from the local housing comission estate and the youth training centers (juvenile hall/borstals). I was one of the nicer kids.
Luckily I was transferred to a trade school for delinquents called The Island where people yelled at you if you bolloxed things up too much or slacked off. I sucked at trades so I went to university.after completing an adult VCE (A Levels, Senior Year).
Unluckily for a lot of the other students they were basically left to fester during a time they needed intervention to get their lives more structured. A lot are in jail, a few committed suicide, a couple OD'd most have ongoing mental health problems. My old Alternative School has learned their lesson and tries to stream the kids into structured programs (trade school etc).
So, my personal opinion-fuck unschooling with a rusty chainsaw!
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Post by m52nickerson on May 26, 2011 8:20:30 GMT -5
Likes wearing girls clothes, but still wants to be perceived as male. Upset at having to not go to normal school because others are not so accommodating? I think the problem is not with the child, but with other people. The child is learning a lesson very early, maybe to early, if you step outside social norms you have to deal with the consequences. |
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Post by m52nickerson on May 26, 2011 8:22:58 GMT -5
I mean one widely accepted one, canonized into the English language. There's a bunch of them proposed, as well as an array people invent for themselves. It's not just for genderqueer/non-binary individuals but general reference of a single person whose gender doesn't matter in the context like "An employee shouldn't park his/her car in the middle of the lot unless he/she wants it to get smashed by the backhoes." I kind of like Per/pers/perself (short for person). I prefer the singular "they". Not technically correct but you don't have to explain it to people. |
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Post by Bluefinger on May 26, 2011 8:28:35 GMT -5
Likes wearing girls clothes, but still wants to be perceived as male. Upset at having to not go to normal school because others are not so accommodating? I think the problem is not with the child, but with other people. The child is learning a lesson very early, maybe to early, if you step outside social norms you have to deal with the consequences. And it is sad that there are consequences to begin with. If this child was intersex, ze would be facing much of the same problems. |
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Post by m52nickerson on May 26, 2011 8:50:31 GMT -5
And it is sad that there are consequences to begin with. If this child was intersex, ze would be facing much of the same problems. Your right on both accounts. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on May 26, 2011 18:00:30 GMT -5
RE: Unschooling. I went to an alternative school in my later teens, their basic idea was letting kids decide what they wanted to do that day. There were two types of kids - the punk rockers who were generally the nicer kids and the Collingwood Mafia from the local housing comission estate and the youth training centers (juvenile hall/borstals). I was one of the nicer kids. Luckily I was transferred to a trade school for delinquents called The Island where people yelled at you if you bolloxed things up too much or slacked off. I sucked at trades so I went to university.after completing an adult VCE (A Levels, Senior Year). Unluckily for a lot of the other students they were basically left to fester during a time they needed intervention to get their lives more structured. A lot are in jail, a few committed suicide, a couple OD'd most have ongoing mental health problems. My old Alternative School has learned their lesson and tries to stream the kids into structured programs (trade school etc). So, my personal opinion-fuck unschooling with a rusty chainsaw! Wait, that abomination of education is actually being used by institutions? Please tell me you're kidding D: |
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Post by eldalar on May 26, 2011 19:01:24 GMT -5
And it is sad that there are consequences to begin with. If this child was intersex, ze would be facing much of the same problems. Yes it is, but the consequences are there and they won't vanish in the near future. I have nothing against people letting children be what they want to be, but they also have to prepare them to how other people will react. We can raise our childes in a happy pink wonderland all we want, at some point they will have to go out into the real world and if they aren't prepared for how the world will react, they will most likely break. And to the unschooling: Depends on how it is implemented, if the child is given a basic education and then decides for himself where he wants to go further, okay that sounds like a nice attempt, as long as someone is making sure that the child is learning anything. If it is simply letting the child dictate what and if at all he wants to learn, than bull-crap, most of the time childes will simply do nothing or get an unbelievable one sided education, that isn't worth 2 cents in the open market. |
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