Conservative Edukashun

[otend]

Back to the topic: the news in the OP makes baby Jesus cry. THANK YOU FUNDIES, THIS WILL TAKE FOREVER TO FIX, ESPECIALLY IF HE STARTS CRYING BLOOD

[VirtualStranger]

I have a feeling that the original topic has long since faded into irrelevance, but I'll try.

How the fuck can you disagree with set theory for religious reasons?

[The_L]

May 28, 2011 18:19:03 GMT -5 VirtualStranger said:

I have a feeling that the original topic has long since faded into irrelevance, but I'll try.

How the fuck can you disagree with set theory due to "religious or political reasons?"

Because anti-intellectualism is part of your religion.

Also, because if the universal set doesn't mention God, then it's A LIE.

[ltfred]

May 28, 2011 18:19:03 GMT -5 VirtualStranger said:

How the fuck can you disagree with set theory for religious reasons?

Consistency. If you're disagreeing with some of the crucial discoveries of science* for religious/political reasons, it would be inconsistent not to disagree with them all.

*Evolution, climate science, Keynesianism and what have you.

[HarleyThomas1002]

Their math curriculum sounds right up my alley. Of course I don't know what set theory is.

Really I just don't know math.

[Parabola]

May 28, 2011 18:19:03 GMT -5 VirtualStranger said:

How the fuck can you disagree with set theory for religious reasons?

The same blog quoted in the OP wrote another article on A Beka w hile back, and they proposed a couple of reasons:

Now, dominionists (to put it mildly!) probably don't like set theory and see it as absolutely evil for two reasons:

a) the whole concept of infinities within infinities (which doesn't set well, if you'll pardon the pun, with their concept of only one God, and two sets of humans that will never interact--the Saved and the Damned)

b) the entire concept of number theory and, for that matter, logical thought systems (in that entire systems of mathematics may be proven or disproven mathematically via logical proof; the entire idea of logic is frowned upon, partly because it encourages independent thinking and testing of a theorem (whereas dominionists are explicitly taught to trust their leaders and have faith, not thought) and in general doesn't work in a coercive society).

(Link time! www.talk2action.org/story/2005/11/22/234711/68)

Even though they have reasons, it is still a extremely poor excuse for depriving students from an important concept in mathematics. Worse yet, it's written and published by a small Christian college in Pensacola (known as Pensacola Christian College). I shudder in fear of the math programs they are giving to their college students.

[MaybeNever]

May 28, 2011 18:22:39 GMT -5 ltfred said:

May 28, 2011 18:19:03 GMT -5 VirtualStranger said:

How the fuck can you disagree with set theory for religious reasons?

Consistency. If you're disagreeing with some of the crucial discoveries of science* for religious/political reasons, it would be inconsistent not to disagree with them all.

*Evolution, climate science, Keynesianism and what have you.

Yeah, if there's one word that describes fundies, it's "consistent".

Wait.

Also, I'm not sure I'd call Keynesianism a discovery of science, thing of beauty though it is.

[DeadpanDoubter]

May 28, 2011 18:32:30 GMT -5 HarleyThomas1002 said:

Their math curriculum sounds right up my alley. Of course I don't know what set theory is.

Really I just don't know math.

Isn't that the thing where the possible answers to a given problem are given in terms of Venn diagrams and/or set notation? Isn't that, like, intermediate algebra? Or am I thinking of the wrong thing?

[Hyperio]

This is a helpful link to Wikipedia article about set theory.

[m52nickerson]

May 28, 2011 18:00:55 GMT -5 chagen said:

Wait, Free Market is pure Anarchy.

Fuck Anarchy, you need regulations on things. You need to find the right balance of freedom and regulations, however.

....and a light bulb comes on and an angles gets its wings or something.

[foolishwisdom]

May 28, 2011 18:35:15 GMT -5 Parabola said:

May 28, 2011 18:19:03 GMT -5 VirtualStranger said:

How the fuck can you disagree with set theory for religious reasons?

The same blog quoted in the OP wrote another article on A Beka w hile back, and they proposed a couple of reasons:

Now, dominionists (to put it mildly!) probably don't like set theory and see it as absolutely evil for two reasons:

a) the whole concept of infinities within infinities (which doesn't set well, if you'll pardon the pun, with their concept of only one God, and two sets of humans that will never interact--the Saved and the Damned)

b) the entire concept of number theory and, for that matter, logical thought systems (in that entire systems of mathematics may be proven or disproven mathematically via logical proof; the entire idea of logic is frowned upon, partly because it encourages independent thinking and testing of a theorem (whereas dominionists are explicitly taught to trust their leaders and have faith, not thought) and in general doesn't work in a coercive society).

(Link time! www.talk2action.org/story/2005/11/22/234711/68)

Even though they have reasons, it is still a extremely poor excuse for depriving students from an important concept in mathematics. Worse yet, it's written and published by a small Christian college in Pensacola (known as Pensacola Christian College). I shudder in fear of the math programs they are giving to their college students.

Wow, I never knew how anti-religious numbers can be...except for the number "1" maybe. Seriously, if advance math can indirectly cause people to doubt your god, maybe the math isn't the problem.

Edit: (I forgot to add this) Here's an idea: lets give the fundies America. They want to turn the nation into their "heaven", they can have it! I'll guarantee you, when things go screwy, it won't be long when they realize all their scapegoats (atheists, homosexuals, Muslims, etc) are all gone, and will resort to finger pointing of each other.

[tolpuddlemartyr]

May 28, 2011 11:38:20 GMT -5 Runa said:

The... flying...fuck?

That's it. Everybody intelligent in America: abandon ship and go to Canada/Australia/Europe.

In Australia the government funds school chaplains in government schools and religious schools directly. Both political parties support the funding of private religious schools because it partially funds private schools allowing the middle classes to send their kids to private schools relatively cheaply and the government is too terrified of backing down on middle class welfare and losing the pork-barrel vote to withdraw it's funds from religious schools.

[styphon]

May 28, 2011 18:35:15 GMT -5 Parabola said:

May 28, 2011 18:19:03 GMT -5 VirtualStranger said:

How the fuck can you disagree with set theory for religious reasons?

The same blog quoted in the OP wrote another article on A Beka w hile back, and they proposed a couple of reasons:

Now, dominionists (to put it mildly!) probably don't like set theory and see it as absolutely evil for two reasons:

a) the whole concept of infinities within infinities (which doesn't set well, if you'll pardon the pun, with their concept of only one God, and two sets of humans that will never interact--the Saved and the Damned)

b) the entire concept of number theory and, for that matter, logical thought systems (in that entire systems of mathematics may be proven or disproven mathematically via logical proof; the entire idea of logic is frowned upon, partly because it encourages independent thinking and testing of a theorem (whereas dominionists are explicitly taught to trust their leaders and have faith, not thought) and in general doesn't work in a coercive society).

(Link time! www.talk2action.org/story/2005/11/22/234711/68)

Even though they have reasons, it is still a extremely poor excuse for depriving students from an important concept in mathematics. Worse yet, it's written and published by a small Christian college in Pensacola (known as Pensacola Christian College). I shudder in fear of the math programs they are giving to their college students.

Eric Hovind a a proud graduate from that place, just to give you an idea, along with the fact that it's unaccredited.

[Smurfette Principle]

I say we just all move to the Moon and set up a FSTDT colony.

[foolishwisdom]

May 28, 2011 19:08:05 GMT -5 Smurfette Principle said:

I say we just all move to the Moon and set up a FSTDT colony.

I have a good design spec....