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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Jul 18, 2011 14:18:31 GMT -5
I think if MSNBC has any point over Fox, it's less about research and more about not actively lying and attempting to shape the political landscape. I don't really follow all of the goings-on at MSNBC, so I was unaware of the ACORN reporting, et al. In any case, I agree that they're hardly the pinnacle of journalistic integrity, which is why I don't rely on them for news -- I'm just acknowledging that they're not quite on the same level of media hell as Fox news. Anyway, my point was that it's ridiculous for Fox apologists to assume that every single liberal is a loyal MSNBC fan (or that all of Fox's critics are liberals, for that matter). |
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Jul 18, 2011 14:26:54 GMT -5
... the news portion of MSNBC was hot on the heels of the resignation of what's her name over her "Racist" speech about "not wanting to give help to white farmers." I can't remember the name of the woman, dammit. Shirley Sherrod Yes it is odd how conservative the liberal media is. When they fired Phil Donahue, they replaced him with Michael Savage who makes Beck seem sane by comparison. It's all a marketing ploy. MSNBC knows that liberals will still tune in for the liberal pundit shows even if they ignore the news casts. And the pundit shows are where the advertising dollars are. As a reminder, this is why Michael Savage got fired from MSNBC: |
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Post by Amaranth on Jul 18, 2011 14:27:39 GMT -5
... the news portion of MSNBC was hot on the heels of the resignation of what's her name over her "Racist" speech about "not wanting to give help to white farmers." I can't remember the name of the woman, dammit. Shirley Sherrod Yes it is odd how conservative the liberal media is. When they fired Phil Donahue, they replaced him with Michael Savage who makes Beck seem sane by comparison. It's all a marketing ploy. MSNBC knows that liberals will still tune in for the liberal pundit shows even if they ignore the news casts. And the pundit shows are where the advertising dollars are. Shirley Sherrod. Thank you. I tried some loose keyword searches and couldn't find anything useful. Amazing how little I could remember though. I didn't remember Savage being on MSNBC. Duh-AMN. But yeah, it's amazing how conservative the "liberal" media is. One of the reasons false equivalency so pisses me off. Partially because it's so dishonest of the right to equate MSNBC and the rest of the media to liberalism, and partially because I worry that maybe they actually DO believe this is the extreme left wing. Like, some people seem sheltered enough they really seem to believe that "not hiring Glenn Beck" is enough to make them hardcore extremists. And please, Mme Antichrist, don't take that as a shot at you, I just thought that element would make for a decent point. I'm not representing it as something you believe. I mean, even MSNBC's commentary staff isn't all that hardcore lefty. Olbermann was more "froth at the mouth about anything" than specifically left ideals. Though if not hating minorities and caring for our sick are extremist ideas, I don't want to know what they thing I am. Maddow's definitely left leaning, but hardly extreme and additionally usually very courteous about it. Usually. But if she can not throttle Rand Paul, she's a far better person than I. And there's the Ed Show, which I didn't watch much because I didn't like the guy, but he seemed fairly moderate for an "extremist," and did that whole conservative "Folksy" thing a bit much. Again, my experience is limited, and my opinion may not be based on the complete scope. Which leaves Chris Matthews, who was pretty liberal from what I could tell, but I also didn't watch him much because he does that asshole thing of talking over everyone. If I wanted to watch some douchebag talk over his guests, I'd....Well, I never want to watch that. Interviews should not be about who has the most volume. Anyone I'leaving out? I haven't had cable for over a year, so I don't know who took Olbermann's slot, whether new or old personality. |
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Post by Amaranth on Jul 18, 2011 14:28:45 GMT -5
Anyway, my point was that it's ridiculous for Fox apologists to assume that every single liberal is a loyal MSNBC fan (or that all of Fox's critics are liberals, for that matter). Well, everyone who is against you is on the other side.... |
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Jul 18, 2011 14:34:18 GMT -5
No worries, I didn't take it that way.  Incidentally, you can see the exact same mindset when they label Obama as a radical liberal. |
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Post by Amaranth on Jul 18, 2011 14:43:08 GMT -5
Just checking.  |
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Post by alexiel on Jul 18, 2011 20:34:14 GMT -5
I don't think she's really trying to jam herself in though. She seems more like she's doing all this for the money. Part of why I think she won't run in 2012. She's making too much money to take a monetary cut for the public. She's just trying to cash in on a brand name. I suspect, anyway. Personally, I hope she does run. I hope for this for her own sake, of course. Because if she isn't running, that would just make her constant, "meet-the-nation," bus tours all the more creepy and fragrantly egotistic.  |
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Post by wurdulac on Jul 19, 2011 16:21:19 GMT -5
I don't think she's really trying to jam herself in though. She seems more like she's doing all this for the money. Part of why I think she won't run in 2012. She's making too much money to take a monetary cut for the public. She's just trying to cash in on a brand name. I suspect, anyway. Personally, I hope she does run. I hope for this for her own sake, of course. Because if she isn't running, that would just make her constant, "meet-the-nation," bus tours all the more creepy and fragrantly egotistic. Yes, they do reek of egoism, don't they? |
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Post by scotsgit on Jul 19, 2011 18:02:02 GMT -5
Personally, I hope she does run. I hope for this for her own sake, of course. Because if she isn't running, that would just make her constant, "meet-the-nation," bus tours all the more creepy and fragrantly egotistic. Yes, they do reek of egoism, don't they? That and failure. |
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Post by Amaranth on Jul 19, 2011 19:26:15 GMT -5
Personally, I hope she does run. I hope for this for her own sake, of course. Because if she isn't running, that would just make her constant, "meet-the-nation," bus tours all the more creepy and fragrantly egotistic. Personally, I thought that was all they were in the first place. |
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Post by TWoozl on Jul 19, 2011 21:53:13 GMT -5
Personally, I hope she does run. I hope for this for her own sake, of course. Because if she isn't running, that would just make her constant, "meet-the-nation," bus tours all the more creepy and fragrantly egotistic. Personally, I thought that was all they were in the first place. Given that she aborted the bus tour midway (Much like she aborted her governor's term midway, oh!), when the media following her stopped following her... yeah. Egotistical nonsense of the highest calibre. |
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Post by MaybeNever on Jul 19, 2011 22:28:42 GMT -5
This thread title has given me a brilliant idea for a new and horrific type of munition that will probably get one brought up on war crimes charges.
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Post by terri on Jul 19, 2011 23:16:57 GMT -5
But yeah, it's amazing how conservative the "liberal" media is. One of the reasons false equivalency so pisses me off. Partially because it's so dishonest of the right to equate MSNBC and the rest of the media to liberalism, and partially because I worry that maybe they actually DO believe this is the extreme left wing. Like, some people seem sheltered enough they really seem to believe that "not hiring Glenn Beck" is enough to make them hardcore extremists. And please, Mme Antichrist, don't take that as a shot at you, I just thought that element would make for a decent point. I'm not representing it as something you believe. I mean, even MSNBC's commentary staff isn't all that hardcore lefty. Olbermann was more "froth at the mouth about anything" than specifically left ideals. Though if not hating minorities and caring for our sick are extremist ideas, I don't want to know what they thing I am. Maddow's definitely left leaning, but hardly extreme and additionally usually very courteous about it. Usually. But if she can not throttle Rand Paul, she's a far better person than I. And there's the Ed Show, which I didn't watch much because I didn't like the guy, but he seemed fairly moderate for an "extremist," and did that whole conservative "Folksy" thing a bit much. Again, my experience is limited, and my opinion may not be based on the complete scope. Which leaves Chris Matthews, who was pretty liberal from what I could tell, but I also didn't watch him much because he does that asshole thing of talking over everyone. If I wanted to watch some douchebag talk over his guests, I'd....Well, I never want to watch that. Interviews should not be about who has the most volume. Anyone I'leaving out? I haven't had cable for over a year, so I don't know who took Olbermann's slot, whether new or old personality. Lawrence O'Donnell, who filled in for Olbermann when he was ill or vacationing (or tending to his dying father), is hosting "The Last Word" in Keith's old time slot. Olbermann's back, same as ever, now on Current - his show is repeated twice each day after the first live airing (perhaps because of Current's smaller audience). |
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Jul 20, 2011 1:01:02 GMT -5
Personally, I thought that was all they were in the first place. Given that she aborted the bus tour midway (Much like she aborted her governor's term midway, oh!), when the media following her stopped following her... yeah. Egotistical nonsense of the highest calibre. Must not make the very obvious abortion joke! |
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Jul 20, 2011 2:52:26 GMT -5
This thread title has given me a brilliant idea for a new and horrific type of munition that will probably get one brought up on war crimes charges. Like something akin to that episode of South Park where San Fransisco is destroyed by "smug", but with mushroom clouds instead? |
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