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Post by Smurfette Principle on Jul 24, 2011 13:34:36 GMT -5
Some of these people think Austria and Australia are the same thing, but some of them actually know they are two different countries, just think they are close together. I have a shirt that says "there are no kangaroos in Austria." Ich bin ein halb Österreicher, weil mein Vater Österreicher ist.  I agree with Vene. Also, I think I told you: He won't get 21 years, he's looking at lifetime in custody. Norwegian law opens for that if the individual in question is percieved as dangerous to society. And this man fuckwad is definitely dangerous. |
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Post by Kit Walker on Jul 24, 2011 13:48:51 GMT -5
Norway has a very effective prison system, thinking it won't be able to work here seems to be driven more on emotions than any sort of logic. I fully understand that it seems distasteful, but when something works we need to put aside our irrational, monkey desire to punish and do what has been shown to be function. I don't care if it's more effective or not, I want my murderers and rapists to not have a standard of living that exceeds that of hard working, law abiding citizens. You should be punished for such crimes, not tacitly rewarded. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jul 24, 2011 13:54:25 GMT -5
Norway has a very effective prison system, thinking it won't be able to work here seems to be driven more on emotions than any sort of logic. I fully understand that it seems distasteful, but when something works we need to put aside our irrational, monkey desire to punish and do what has been shown to be function. I don't care if it's more effective or not, I want my murderers and rapists to not have a standard of living that exceeds that of hard working, law abiding citizens. You should be punished for such crimes, not tacitly rewarded. Being surrounded by murderers and rapists is a good standard of living? |
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Post by Smurfette Principle on Jul 24, 2011 14:05:54 GMT -5
Reading the guy's manifesto on Pharyngula. Is it any surprise that the guy is against women's rights and atheists?
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Post by Thejebusfire on Jul 24, 2011 14:12:59 GMT -5
I agree with Vene. Also, I think I told you: He won't get 21 years, he's looking at lifetime in custody. Norwegian law opens for that if the individual in question is percieved as dangerous to society. There are rumors that he's getting 21 years for every young person killed. Don't know if that's true or not though. |
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Post by SimSim on Jul 24, 2011 14:21:48 GMT -5
Norway has a very effective prison system, thinking it won't be able to work here seems to be driven more on emotions than any sort of logic. I fully understand that it seems distasteful, but when something works we need to put aside our irrational, monkey desire to punish and do what has been shown to be function. I don't care if it's more effective or not, I want my murderers and rapists to not have a standard of living that exceeds that of hard working, law abiding citizens. You should be punished for such crimes, not tacitly rewarded. What's wrong with rehabilitating a person and making them a useful member of society? |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jul 24, 2011 14:35:41 GMT -5
I don't care if it's more effective or not, I want my murderers and rapists to not have a standard of living that exceeds that of hard working, law abiding citizens. You should be punished for such crimes, not tacitly rewarded. What's wrong with rehabilitating a person and making them a useful member of society? To be fair... Being in a positive environment makes rehabilitation easier, I would imagine, as you aren't being treated like sub-human dirt and yet expected to leave prison better than you went into prison. American prisons generally have some mixed messages, both in and outside of them. Besides, it's not like they own the prison, the prison is owned by the government. |
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Post by Vene on Jul 24, 2011 14:48:05 GMT -5
Norway has a very effective prison system, thinking it won't be able to work here seems to be driven more on emotions than any sort of logic. I fully understand that it seems distasteful, but when something works we need to put aside our irrational, monkey desire to punish and do what has been shown to be function. I don't care if it's more effective or not, I want my murderers and rapists to not have a standard of living that exceeds that of hard working, law abiding citizens. You should be punished for such crimes, not tacitly rewarded. Norwegian citizens do have a higher standard of living than their prisoners. It's not their fault the United States doesn't care for its people. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jul 24, 2011 14:53:08 GMT -5
I don't care if it's more effective or not, I want my murderers and rapists to not have a standard of living that exceeds that of hard working, law abiding citizens. You should be punished for such crimes, not tacitly rewarded. Norwegian citizens do have a higher standard of living than their prisoners. It's not their fault the United States doesn't care for its people. Well, now it makes complete sense. |
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Post by Jedi Knight on Jul 24, 2011 15:14:40 GMT -5
I guess you could say it's a built-in loophole for emergency use? Exactly! 21 years is maximum punishment. Custody exceeding 21 years is a precaution. Oh, and he can't get 21 years per life he took. Doesn't work that way. He will be sentenced to 21 years in prison and custody. Custody will be taken care of by a suitable institution, i.e. prison. |
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Post by Kit Walker on Jul 24, 2011 15:19:45 GMT -5
What's wrong with rehabilitating a person and making them a useful member of society? What the bleeding hell makes anyone think someone who didn't get "don't murder or rape people" the first time they had freedom will suddenly get it after 21 years at maximum security island resort? Seriously, those "cells" in Halden Prison look a lot like a nicer version of my college housing apartment. Norwegian citizens do have a higher standard of living than their prisoners. It's not their fault the United States doesn't care for its people. No homeless people at all in Norway? No people living paycheck to paycheck in crappy apartments? No people struggling to pay for their groceries? None at all? Really? Everyone has a fucking rock climbing wall? Being in a positive environment makes rehabilitation easier, I would imagine, as you aren't being treated like sub-human dirt and yet expected to leave prison better than you went into prison. American prisons generally have some mixed messages, both in and outside of them. There's a middle between "being treated like subhuman dirt" and "having a private apartment with mini-fridge and flat screen TV, along with a public hobby room and rock climbing wall". Having to wait because someone else is using music composition computer (or whatever those piano keyboard/computer hook-ups are) is not really my ideal of punishment for a murderer or rapist, |
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Post by tgrwulf on Jul 24, 2011 15:36:20 GMT -5
WorldNetDaily still thinks the shooter was Muslim. One user of Conservapedia is very christianlike "Bah, I'm sure the 92 people killed would have just turned out to be pinko socialists anyway. TerryB 01:51, 24 July 2011 (EDT) " www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_PageSadly, I kind of was waiting for that to happen. T_T The fact someone still did type it though made a little bit of my faith in humanity die inside. |
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Post by Jedi Knight on Jul 24, 2011 16:02:26 GMT -5
No homeless people at all in Norway? No people living paycheck to paycheck in crappy apartments? No people struggling to pay for their groceries? None at all? Really? Everyone has a fucking rock climbing wall? The system isn't perfect, no system is, and unfortunately a few people fall through our security net. But our social security laws give every Norwegian citizen the right to have a proper place to live, and a minimum income in addition to the rent. Not everyone has a rock climbing wall, but most of us have access to one. There's a middle between "being treated like subhuman dirt" and "having a private apartment with mini-fridge and flat screen TV, along with a public hobby room and rock climbing wall". Having to wait because someone else is using music composition computer (or whatever those piano keyboard/computer hook-ups are) is not really my ideal of punishment for a murderer or rapist, Do you really think murderers and rapists are allowed to do their time at Halden Prison? They're not. They are at Ila. |
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Post by Kit Walker on Jul 24, 2011 16:08:58 GMT -5
Do you really think murderers and rapists are allowed to do their time at Halden Prison? They're not. They are at Ila. Then Norway must have a different definition of "Maximum Security Prison" than the states. |
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Post by SimSim on Jul 24, 2011 16:08:58 GMT -5
What's wrong with rehabilitating a person and making them a useful member of society? What the bleeding hell makes anyone think someone who didn't get "don't murder or rape people" the first time they had freedom will suddenly get it after 21 years at maximum security island resort? Seriously, those "cells" in Halden Prison look a lot like a nicer version of my college housing apartment. Because there are myriad of factors that influence how people act and their actions. Many of those factors are environmental and can be changed. |
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