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Post by malicious_bloke on Jul 26, 2011 8:37:17 GMT -5
Whats so interesting about Stamford Bridge? In the grand scheme of things it was a fairly minor event
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 26, 2011 8:39:11 GMT -5
Whats so interesting about Stamford Bridge? In the grand scheme of things it was a fairly minor event A. If it weren't for Stamford Bridge, Harold may not have lost the big one in October. B. It is technically the end date of the Viking Era and the Dark Ages, and the beginning of the Mediaeval period. |
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Jul 26, 2011 9:45:45 GMT -5
So. The fucker is a Mason? Awesome. He's just fucking every label out there, isn't he? I KNEW IT. He LOOKS like a Mason, just like most of the males on my mum's side of the family. |
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jul 26, 2011 9:57:45 GMT -5
Brievik says that he hates anyone who isn't an extremist. Apparently, pacifists piss him off.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jul 26, 2011 9:59:59 GMT -5
So. The fucker is a Mason? Awesome. He's just fucking every label out there, isn't he? I KNEW IT. He LOOKS like a Mason, just like most of the males on my mum's side of the family. I'm not glad about it. Free Masons/Shriners saved my life and made me capable of walking. |
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Post by czechmate on Jul 26, 2011 10:54:11 GMT -5
Brievik says that he hates anyone who isn't an extremist. Apparently, pacifists piss him off. Brievik is without doubt totally insane, nonetheless he deserves the maximum possible sentence Norway has in its penal system. Unfortunately the maximum is 21 years, but hopefully they make it 21 years for each of his victims. To really put the boot in, they should strip him of his Norwegian citizenship and make his total sentence in solitary confinment. His intentions were to kick out all immigrants, ban non-christians (but specifically Islam), and wipe out the future leadership of the Labour Party - as they "betrayed" Norway by having the audacity of being elected fairly into power. What he wants is an authoritarian theocracy. Move him to Saudi. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 26, 2011 11:18:43 GMT -5
Brievik says that he hates anyone who isn't an extremist. Apparently, pacifists piss him off. Brievik is without doubt totally insane, nonetheless he deserves the maximum possible sentence Norway has in its penal system. Unfortunately the maximum is 21 years, but hopefully they make it 21 years for each of his victims. To really put the boot in, they should strip him of his Norwegian citizenship and make his total sentence in solitary confinment. His intentions were to kick out all immigrants, ban non-christians (but specifically Islam), and wipe out the future leadership of the Labour Party - as they "betrayed" Norway by having the audacity of being elected fairly into power. What he wants is an authoritarian theocracy. Move him to Saudi. Wow. Look, the guy is a mass murderer, and utterly contemptible... however, I actually have more problems with what you are suggesting than what he did. Also, extreme actions and beliefs do not necessarily imply mental illness. But if they DID, and he is actually mentally ill, what is the point for punishing him for actions over which he had depleted control, or that he can't understand? You might as well torture a dog for peeing on the carpet. |
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Post by Vene on Jul 26, 2011 11:53:56 GMT -5
Brievik says that he hates anyone who isn't an extremist. Apparently, pacifists piss him off. Brievik is without doubt totally insane, nonetheless he deserves the maximum possible sentence Norway has in its penal system. Unfortunately the maximum is 21 years, but hopefully they make it 21 years for each of his victims. To really put the boot in, they should strip him of his Norwegian citizenship and make his total sentence in solitary confinment. His intentions were to kick out all immigrants, ban non-christians (but specifically Islam), and wipe out the future leadership of the Labour Party - as they "betrayed" Norway by having the audacity of being elected fairly into power. What he wants is an authoritarian theocracy. Move him to Saudi. 1) It's been pointed out the Norwegian system won't just let him out in 21 years. 2) It's been pointed out the Norwegian system is unable to give him an extra 21 years for each victim. |
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Post by booley on Jul 26, 2011 12:09:48 GMT -5
.... Brievik is without doubt totally insane... It's comforting to think that people who do horrific things are some kind of aberration. But they are not. Yes some are insane or sociopaths. But most were not. There's no evidence that Rudolph who bombed gay bars and the Atlanta Olympics couldn't tell right from wrong. Or tribal elders in Afghanistan who use rape as a punishment. OR the people in Rwanda who chopped up their neighbors with machetes. And yes the Nazis were no more deranged then any other people when they were herding people into special "showers" Indeed, these people had the same sense of moral outrage that many feel about Breivik. It's what motivated them. Not saying moral outrage leads inevitably to terrorism or genocide. Obviously for the vast majority it does not. But maybe it's a bad idea to act as if these kinds of people are separate from ourselves. Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine. Until I see evidence that this guy had a clinical problem, I prefer the term "insane" not be bandied about. It cheapens the atrocity. |
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Post by Jodie on Jul 26, 2011 12:56:01 GMT -5
I agree with what booley said. There is waaaay to much coherence in the planning and execution of this tragic event for me to believe that the guy is insane. He not crazy, he's a rightwing asshole of gargantuan proportions.
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 26, 2011 13:03:13 GMT -5
.... Brievik is without doubt totally insane... It's comforting to think that people who do horrific things are some kind of aberration. But they are not. Yes some are insane or sociopaths. But most were not. There's no evidence that Rudolph who bombed gay bars and the Atlanta Olympics couldn't tell right from wrong. Or tribal elders in Afghanistan who use rape as a punishment. OR the people in Rwanda who chopped up their neighbors with machetes. And yes the Nazis were no more deranged then any other people when they were herding people into special "showers" Indeed, these people had the same sense of moral outrage that many feel about Breivik. It's what motivated them. Not saying moral outrage leads inevitably to terrorism or genocide. Obviously for the vast majority it does not. But maybe it's a bad idea to act as if these kinds of people are separate from ourselves. Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine. Until I see evidence that this guy had a clinical problem, I prefer the term "insane" not be bandied about. It cheapens the atrocity. QFT. If he's insane, there's no point punishing him. If he's not insane, calling him such is an insult to the mentally ill. *sigh* as we always see in the wake of such events, there is a desperate scrabble to try to find some sort of explanation for it that shows he was "different" in some way. I don't know if this is to try to make ourselves feel less responsible, or to reasure ourselves that the perpetrators are really different to "us". Either way, trying to dehumanise the opposition and make them the "other" is a human trait, old as dirt. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jul 26, 2011 15:04:46 GMT -5
Hopefully, it's a trait we can overcome eventually, but it'll probably be years... maybe even lifetimes. Maybe even never.
The bombing was bad enough. But targeting helpless children...
This man is a monster. A human monster.
And politics is the Frankenstein that made this monster.
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 26, 2011 15:23:38 GMT -5
Hopefully, it's a trait we can overcome eventually, but it'll probably be years... maybe even lifetimes. Maybe even never. The bombing was bad enough. But targeting helpless children... This man is a monster. A human monster. And politics is the Frankenstein that made this monster. Yep. Good word for him. |
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Post by wurdulac on Jul 26, 2011 16:44:16 GMT -5
And yet, it seems apparent that somewhere, something went wrong for him. Most people, even people with similar beliefs, do not orchestrate such elaborate crimes. Whether it's something in him, or something about the way he was raised, or (more likely) both, we need to determine what it was about him that enabled him to carry out the murders.
He should be studied, analyzed, as much information obtained from him as our current technology level allows. That should be his sentence, along with everyone else who has demonstrated a capacity for enacting such heinous offenses against their fellow humans.
Better to prevent future instances (as much as we can, at least) than to either leave him in a jail cell for the rest of his life or end him.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jul 26, 2011 16:46:32 GMT -5
I agree with what booley said. There is waaaay to much coherence in the planning and execution of this tragic event for me to believe that the guy is insane. He not crazy, he's a rightwing asshole of gargantuan proportions. My studies have told me it's possible to be able to plan to such lengths and execute them while still being touched in the head. Being insane doesn't mean you're stupid or incapable of such crimes. |
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