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Post by Jedi Knight on Jul 26, 2011 17:04:20 GMT -5
1) It's been pointed out the Norwegian system won't just let him out in 21 years. 2) It's been pointed out the Norwegian system is unable to give him an extra 21 years for each victim. Glad to see you're paying attention. Also, the prosecutor has stated he may be charged for crimes against humanity, which is a war crime, and punishable with up to 30 years in prison. And custody. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jul 26, 2011 17:07:15 GMT -5
And yet, it seems apparent that somewhere, something went wrong for him. Most people, even people with similar beliefs, do not orchestrate such elaborate crimes. Whether it's something in him, or something about the way he was raised, or (more likely) both, we need to determine what it was about him that enabled him to carry out the murders. He should be studied, analyzed, as much information obtained from him as our current technology level allows. That should be his sentence, along with everyone else who has demonstrated a capacity for enacting such heinous offenses against their fellow humans. Better to prevent future instances (as much as we can, at least) than to either leave him in a jail cell for the rest of his life or end him. Let me put it this way. You see a threat. Others see a threat. HOwever, rather than get rid of the threat, the others just jabber on about how it's a threat and try to take care of it the slow way. But you see the threat creeping in, and it's a danger to the life of you and your neighbors. So you take action because no one else will. It's a scarily logical thought process that stems from an illogical premise (that multiculturism, specifically Islam, is a threat to you and your nation). |
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Post by tolpuddlemartyr on Jul 26, 2011 17:11:46 GMT -5
It's comforting to think that people who do horrific things are some kind of aberration. This, also labelling shit stains like this mass murderer as "insane" further demonizes the mentally ill who by and large are guilty of no such thing. The actions of this mass murderer were well thought out, well organized and carried out in a calm, rational and workmanlike manner. This doesn't scan as "mental illness" so much as "extreme assholery"! |
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Post by SCarpelan on Jul 26, 2011 17:35:50 GMT -5
It's comforting to think that people who do horrific things are some kind of aberration. This, also labelling shit stains like this mass murderer as "insane" further demonizes the mentally ill who by and large are guilty of no such thing. The actions of this mass murderer were well thought out, well organized and carried out in a calm, rational and workmanlike manner. This doesn't scan as "mental illness" so much as "extreme assholery"! It's not only the organized and planned manner that excludes insanity, it's also the fact that he knew exactly what he was doing. He didn't think that the kids in the camp were possessed by demons or were aliens in disguise. Instead of insanity, Breivik probably suffers from a serious personality disorder that makes him oblivious to the suffering of others. Not only do I feel sorry for the victims and their families but I also have a huge amount of respect for the civilians who voluntarily risked their lives to try to save the escaping kids. There were several people who took their boats and went to help the kids swimming in the freezing water despite Breivik firing at them from the shore. |
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Post by wurdulac on Jul 26, 2011 19:49:10 GMT -5
And yet, it seems apparent that somewhere, something went wrong for him. Most people, even people with similar beliefs, do not orchestrate such elaborate crimes. Whether it's something in him, or something about the way he was raised, or (more likely) both, we need to determine what it was about him that enabled him to carry out the murders. He should be studied, analyzed, as much information obtained from him as our current technology level allows. That should be his sentence, along with everyone else who has demonstrated a capacity for enacting such heinous offenses against their fellow humans. Better to prevent future instances (as much as we can, at least) than to either leave him in a jail cell for the rest of his life or end him. Let me put it this way. You see a threat. Others see a threat. HOwever, rather than get rid of the threat, the others just jabber on about how it's a threat and try to take care of it the slow way. But you see the threat creeping in, and it's a danger to the life of you and your neighbors. So you take action because no one else will. It's a scarily logical thought process that stems from an illogical premise (that multiculturism, specifically Islam, is a threat to you and your nation). That may be true, in this case. However, it answers no questions about why individuals act on their beliefs when hundreds of others who feel the exact same way just as strongly do not commit similar crimes. What is it about them that cause these people in particular to act the way they do? Is it replicable? Is there any way to prevent future instances of violence? Basically, what causes these individuals to act out, instead of merely observing the perceived threat like most other people do? |
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 26, 2011 21:26:30 GMT -5
Let me put it this way. You see a threat. Others see a threat. HOwever, rather than get rid of the threat, the others just jabber on about how it's a threat and try to take care of it the slow way. But you see the threat creeping in, and it's a danger to the life of you and your neighbors. So you take action because no one else will. It's a scarily logical thought process that stems from an illogical premise (that multiculturism, specifically Islam, is a threat to you and your nation). That may be true, in this case. However, it answers no questions about why individuals act on their beliefs when hundreds of others who feel the exact same way just as strongly do not commit similar crimes. What is it about them that cause these people in particular to act the way they do? Is it replicable? Is there any way to prevent future instances of violence? Basically, what causes these individuals to act out, instead of merely observing the perceived threat like most other people do? Simple statistics. Any population large enough will have outliers and extremists. |
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Post by brandonl337 on Jul 27, 2011 0:12:38 GMT -5
That may be true, in this case. However, it answers no questions about why individuals act on their beliefs when hundreds of others who feel the exact same way just as strongly do not commit similar crimes. What is it about them that cause these people in particular to act the way they do? Is it replicable? Is there any way to prevent future instances of violence? Basically, what causes these individuals to act out, instead of merely observing the perceived threat like most other people do? Simple statistics. Any population large enough will have outliers and extremists. I think what he's getting at is that other's hold the same extreme beliefs and don't kill people Unless by outliers and extremists, you simply mean those that kill for extreme beliefs? |
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jul 27, 2011 3:08:33 GMT -5
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jul 27, 2011 4:40:16 GMT -5
And now for me to post something about Breivik himself: Breivik plans a "bonus mission" after breaking out of prison: Oslo's VG newspaper www.twitlonger.com/show/c00r2s |
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Post by Distind on Jul 27, 2011 5:38:23 GMT -5
The first batch of related quotes hit the main pages. An impressive one under CSTDT.
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 27, 2011 9:20:42 GMT -5
The first batch of related quotes hit the main pages. An impressive one under CSTDT. Links please? |
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Post by scotsgit on Jul 27, 2011 9:30:24 GMT -5
Simple statistics. Any population large enough will have outliers and extremists. I think what he's getting at is that other's hold the same extreme beliefs and don't kill people Unless by outliers and extremists, you simply mean those that kill for extreme beliefs? There will always be, with every cause (regardless of how noble or evil), those who want to wade through a lake of blood to get there. It's happened time and time again - whilst others are prepared to demonstrate, make a noise and get noticed in a way that forces their agenda to the forefront, there will be others who are too impatient (or inclined to violence anyway) and who want to use force in the first place rather than the last. And sadly, I don't think the world has seen the last of them. |
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Post by Ranger Joe on Jul 27, 2011 9:31:37 GMT -5
And now for me to post something about Breivik himself: Breivik plans a "bonus mission" after breaking out of prison: Oslo's VG newspaper www.twitlonger.com/show/c00r2sBreak his knee. See how well he escapes prison for his "Bonus Round". |
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Post by scotsgit on Jul 27, 2011 10:17:58 GMT -5
And now for me to post something about Breivik himself: Breivik plans a "bonus mission" after breaking out of prison: Oslo's VG newspaper www.twitlonger.com/show/c00r2sBreak his knee. See how well he escapes prison for his "Bonus Round". Even better: It's Scandinavia, take him up to the Arctic circle in winter with just his weapons but no clothes. Tell him to start walking. |
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Post by brandonl337 on Jul 27, 2011 10:59:31 GMT -5
Break his knee. See how well he escapes prison for his "Bonus Round". Even better: It's Scandinavia, take him up to the Arctic circle in winter with just his weapons but no clothes. Tell him to start walking. Maybe do both? |
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