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Post by schizophonic on May 3, 2009 20:00:33 GMT -5
I know the feeling Also the fact that the produce in the stores seems to be half-rotted before you even buy it. No kidding. Around here, I have two choices. There's supermarkets, which offer the exact same quality you're describing, and there's the "organic" shops which sell much higher priced versions which are definitely much better quality. Come summer, there's also the farmer's markets, but supply is limited absed on the markers, it's a limited time, etc. I buy there whenever I can, but usually, we're talking green and costly or brown and reasonable.
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Post by Yaezakura on May 3, 2009 20:03:34 GMT -5
Gah, shit like this is why I read news rather than watch it, once it's filtered through the whiney bitch and rampant jackass people it gets reduced to nothing more than stereotypes and ignorance. Which seems to be what most people want. Of course that's what most people want, Distind. It prevents them from actually having to think about things for themselves.
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Post by Julian on May 4, 2009 4:04:19 GMT -5
So looking at the OP... I've actually seen people claim that aside from marriage they've fought for gay rights. I know they're heavier on the brainwashing than most denominations, but it takes two seconds of research to see thats bullshit. Utah is 58% mormon, in Utah you can fire someone just for being gay, it has no hate crime laws for gays, every kind of union *even the ones with no religious ties whatsoever* are banned and just 6 years ago they had to be dragged kicking and screaming by the supreme court into not arresting people for being gay. The mormon church has more than enough influence to fix this blatant inequality, but they do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Well thats not true, they did send truckloads of cash and a letter ordering their members to vote against gay rights two states away. I wouldnt be so mad if they just admitted they despise homosexuals, but this is like people claiming Christian identity fought for civil rights because they put a thing on their website saying they dont hate blacks, that its just against their religion. Have any of the other churches that obviously hate gays tried to claim their fighting for our rights? I know they wrap it up in biblical bullshit to act like their following their religion and not just being bigoted assholes but none of them have the nerve to pretend their helping us. SKyfail tactic #23b, 31a and #2c FYI - "homosexuality" isn't listed under the "protected" classes in federal employment discrimination law. So that's actually something at the national level, not the state level. Civil unions are also a hot topic nation-wide, and many other states also had anti-homosexuality laws on the books as well. In fact, here in Texas one of the state-authorized health textbooks listed the anti-homosexuality laws in the back of the book along with a few other laws. Sky's problem!!! OMFG!!! The mormons look BAD (through their own deliberate actions (and clinging to outrageously foul dogma!)) Swinging into action we get. #23b Deflect blame and point out someone who is also wrong. Bonus points if you can then not only distract with the other party, but shift the blame onto them. The mormons are homophobic, believe it's a choice, refuse to recommend, seal, perform ordinance on, marry, allow temple rights, etc, etc, etc and purposely and deliberately vilify, discriminate and treat gay people like they're diseased at every opportunity. Solution. Mention a tardy position at Federal level, which in no way resembles the endemic nastiness in the mormon church and furthermore is only there because of stonewalling from religious conservatards like the mormons. This is also great for ignoring 150 years of a solid black civil rights movement and proud international and extensive history of the abolitionist movement preceding a forced dragging into the 19thC in 1978, but they're not racist - oh no, they're in the van of reform (ROFL!). Cue the US of old dragging their heels over global warming. Whenever it was pointed out that they were the biggest offender, the offender that could most quickly change their consumption patterns to eliminate massive amounts of waste, and were also most leveraged for leading the global transition to a low carbon future. Blame India or China or point out Australia hadn't ratified Kyoto (pre Nov 2007) #31a. "Teach" the "contraversy". Pretend a lay down misere fucking-dead-end no-brainer frigging obvious thing a 5 yr old could understand is actually contraversial, contentious, worthy of debate and even an issue. NO SON! Your shit does not fly! FUCK OFF! #2c Bring in some other shit to derail the thread. This was mormons massively discriminate against gays WHICH they do. You cannot refute this. You cannot even cherry pick your handbook, because the kindest thing it says still calls them sick - as in ill. ----------- FASCINATING.
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Post by antichrist on May 4, 2009 11:13:18 GMT -5
You actually bothered to classify Sky's tactics? Seriously dude, for your own sanity, he ain't worth it.
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Post by schizophonic on May 4, 2009 11:33:16 GMT -5
So...citations, sky?
Not trolling or flaming, just asking you to back your claims up or admit they're not worth the electrons beamed at my screen.
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Post by devilschaplain2 on May 4, 2009 12:32:48 GMT -5
So...citations, sky? Not trolling or flaming, just asking you to back your claims up or admit they're not worth the electrons beamed at my screen. You're asking Sky for citations? Uh, good luck with that....
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Post by schizophonic on May 4, 2009 12:57:05 GMT -5
So...citations, sky? Not trolling or flaming, just asking you to back your claims up or admit they're not worth the electrons beamed at my screen. You're asking Sky for citations? Uh, good luck with that.... I know. I swear to God he's gotta just be trolling us.
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Post by wackadoodle on May 6, 2009 14:26:35 GMT -5
I dont think we've had one topic invloving mormons that didnt spiral into a "shut the fuck up and learn what your talking about skyfire" session. Of course their completely right in this topic about him dodging around the simple fact that his church does everything possible to make life shitty for gays and anyone claiming they support gay rights is lying out their ass.
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Post by adoylelb90815 on May 15, 2009 15:45:47 GMT -5
I have to give it to Sky that he has the stamina and gall to keep repeating propaganda and lies about just about everything. So okey, I'm sure there are others here who know better than I on the topic of mormon marriage but I'll give it a shot. Legal marriage is NOT the same as SEALING, which is mormonese for a non civil recognised religious marriage (yes, sealing also means being sealed to parents and children ). Therefore legal divorce is not the same as revocation of a sealing. It is perfectly possible for the husband to deny revocation of sealing, whicjh means that the woman can't have another temple "marriage' while still being legally divorced. Of course it's all a bunch of meaningless crap inless you really believe. The sad part is that abusers can make the "wife" beleive that she will be sealed to her "husband" forever and there is nothing she can do about it. Imagine that. Living with an abuser for all eternity. The same goes for children of abusers. The truly truly sad part is that there have been recorded cases of suicide. Suicide because the victim uses going to hell as a way to escape from eternal abuse. want references I'll be back As someone who got out of an abusive marriage, the idea of spending eternity with my abusive ex-husband is my idea of hell. I'm just fortunate my ex and I were never "sealed" since all I needed was a civil divorce. As for the gay issue, I could never be Mormon because I actually love my gay cousin unconditionally.
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Post by Alexandria on May 15, 2009 16:05:39 GMT -5
Ever see animal rights activists harass the Hell's Angels for wearing leather? It's pretty much the same deal here. They need an enemy to unify themselves but lack the courage to challenge an opponent that might be capable of winning. Come to think of it, why does PETA spend so much time hating on people who wear fur and never say a word about leather, which is far more commonplace? Sort of a necro quote here, but to attack the leather industry would be to attack the whole raising of cattle industry. If I remember right, they don't raise cattle specifically for leather, they just use the hides off the ones that were killed for whatever reason. However, certain breeds of animals are raised solely for their fur in certain areas, which makes a much easier target for PETA. PETA does target milk drinking though, which is complete bollocks.
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Post by skyfire on May 15, 2009 18:21:31 GMT -5
As someone who got out of an abusive marriage, the idea of spending eternity with my abusive ex-husband is my idea of hell. You must have missed the part where it was explained that if one spouse is abusive, the other has the right to reject them in the afterlife.
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Post by Thejebusfire on May 15, 2009 18:48:53 GMT -5
As someone who got out of an abusive marriage, the idea of spending eternity with my abusive ex-husband is my idea of hell. You must have missed the part where it was explained that if one spouse is abusive, the other has the right to reject them in the afterlife. I think what they are trying to say is that heaven wouldn't be heaven if an abusive ex is there, at all.
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Post by antichrist on May 15, 2009 19:01:49 GMT -5
I have to give it to Sky that he has the stamina and gall to keep repeating propaganda and lies about just about everything. So okey, I'm sure there are others here who know better than I on the topic of mormon marriage but I'll give it a shot. Legal marriage is NOT the same as SEALING, which is mormonese for a non civil recognised religious marriage (yes, sealing also means being sealed to parents and children ). Therefore legal divorce is not the same as revocation of a sealing. It is perfectly possible for the husband to deny revocation of sealing, whicjh means that the woman can't have another temple "marriage' while still being legally divorced. Of course it's all a bunch of meaningless crap inless you really believe. The sad part is that abusers can make the "wife" beleive that she will be sealed to her "husband" forever and there is nothing she can do about it. Imagine that. Living with an abuser for all eternity. The same goes for children of abusers. The truly truly sad part is that there have been recorded cases of suicide. Suicide because the victim uses going to hell as a way to escape from eternal abuse. want references I'll be back As someone who got out of an abusive marriage, the idea of spending eternity with my abusive ex-husband is my idea of hell. I'm just fortunate my ex and I were never "sealed" since all I needed was a civil divorce. As for the gay issue, I could never be Mormon because I actually love my gay cousin unconditionally. No kidding, I remember my sister bitching about her husband once, she got mad when I said that I was only stuck with mine until one of us died, but she has hers for time and eternity.
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Post by alwimo on May 15, 2009 19:22:22 GMT -5
I didn't see the reference to bisexuality within sexual harassment law earlier. This Stanford Law Review article has a large section on bisexuality in sexual harassment law: www.kenjiyoshino.com/articles/epistemiccontract.pdfI think those two might be: -Tietgen v. Brown's Westminster Motors, Inc -Chiapuzio v. BLT Operating Corp (it's been a while since I read the article in its entirety, but I did re-read important-seeming sections when making this post). The article goes into detail on the topic, starting at page 39.
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Post by dasfuchs on May 16, 2009 2:24:52 GMT -5
Come to think of it, why does PETA spend so much time hating on people who wear fur and never say a word about leather, which is far more commonplace? Sort of a necro quote here, but to attack the leather industry would be to attack the whole raising of cattle industry. If I remember right, they don't raise cattle specifically for leather, they just use the hides off the ones that were killed for whatever reason. However, certain breeds of animals are raised solely for their fur in certain areas, which makes a much easier target for PETA. PETA does target milk drinking though, which is complete bollocks. Oh god, they'll ban tits
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