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Post by wackadoodle on May 2, 2009 10:30:57 GMT -5
I've actually seen people claim that aside from marriage they've fought for gay rights. I know they're heavier on the brainwashing than most denominations, but it takes two seconds of research to see thats bullshit.
Utah is 58% mormon, in Utah you can fire someone just for being gay, it has no hate crime laws for gays, every kind of union *even the ones with no religious ties whatsoever* are banned and just 6 years ago they had to be dragged kicking and screaming by the supreme court into not arresting people for being gay. The mormon church has more than enough influence to fix this blatant inequality, but they do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Well thats not true, they did send truckloads of cash and a letter ordering their members to vote against gay rights two states away.
I wouldnt be so mad if they just admitted they despise homosexuals, but this is like people claiming Christian identity fought for civil rights because they put a thing on their website saying they dont hate blacks, that its just against their religion.
Have any of the other churches that obviously hate gays tried to claim their fighting for our rights? I know they wrap it up in biblical bullshit to act like their following their religion and not just being bigoted assholes but none of them have the nerve to pretend their helping us.
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Post by doomie 22 on May 2, 2009 10:58:15 GMT -5
And the KKK marched right alongside Martin Luther King Jr.
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Post by antichrist on May 2, 2009 11:48:42 GMT -5
Well John Paul was making strides to accept homosexuals by claiming that homosexuals are called by god to be celibate a stride for the Catholic Church.
You don't hear much about Scientology, but they claim their program can cure you of 'gay'. They also threaten to out you if you leave.
As for the Mormon church, face it, it's the church of hypocrisy. Does any other church actually audit it's members to make sure they are tithing correctly? They don't hate blacks, but being black means your a follower of Satan. My Mormon sister is absolutely convinced that homosexuality is a mental illness that they should find a cure for. Yeah, that worked so well in the 50's. They don't believe in polygamy, but after you die, you get a bunch of celestial wives. Men can serial marry, but women only get one swing at the marriage bat.
As far as the KKK goes, they claim to like blacks, but that they are 'separate but equal'. Preferably behind a brick wall.
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Post by canadian mojo on May 2, 2009 12:13:34 GMT -5
In order to beat our resident apologist to it, I'm just going to go ahead and claim that the Mormons in Utah believe in seperation of church and state which is why they have stayed out of the political arena. Prop 8 was different because it would have allowed gays to marry which is wrong in the eyes of the lord and therefore had to be dealt with more directly... besides which it hasn't been proven yet that Mormon church actually did anything or that what they did was illegal.  |
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Post by schizophonic on May 2, 2009 12:30:30 GMT -5
Just to be fair, there are few churches which aren't Churches of hypocrisy. I still don't get why Mormons get so much more shit than other groups for being flaming hypocrites who believe in utter shite.
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Post by deliciousdemon on May 2, 2009 12:37:39 GMT -5
Probably because anti-gay bigotry is just on the cusp of being seen as socially inappropriate in the United States; outride expression of it might cause more of the general public to frown on the church than would be desireable.
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Post by Death on May 2, 2009 13:09:15 GMT -5
A mormon poster on another site, in reference to the Miss California debacle, wrote that she doesn't agree that homosexuals should marry. She qualified it by pointing out that such a statement does not actually disparage homosexuals.
They really believe what they are saying and don't mean any harm.
I think it's just that they don't think things through all the time.
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Post by wackadoodle on May 2, 2009 13:23:26 GMT -5
Mormons in Utah believe in seperation of church and state which is why they have stayed out of the political arena. Prop 8 was different because it would have allowed gays to marry which is wrong in the eyes of the lord If that were remotely true they'd be fighting against rights for athiests and adulterers. Yet this is the only sin any of these 'religious' groups ever seem to spend a dollar or waste an hour protesting. |
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Post by dasfuchs on May 2, 2009 15:56:06 GMT -5
Just to be fair, there are few churches which aren't Churches of hypocrisy. I still don't get why Mormons get so much more shit than other groups for being flaming hypocrites who believe in utter shite. I think it's because not only has the religion been shown and proven beyond a doubt to be complete bullshit, there's a certain poster here that manages to shine a big spotlight on it by the braindead crap it posts |
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Post by schizophonic on May 2, 2009 16:11:07 GMT -5
A mormon poster on another site, in reference to the Miss California debacle, wrote that she doesn't agree that homosexuals should marry. She qualified it by pointing out that such a statement does not actually disparage homosexuals. They really believe what they are saying and don't mean any harm. I think it's just that they don't think things through all the time. Seems like Bigotry by convenience. |
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Post by skyfire on May 2, 2009 16:27:18 GMT -5
FYI - "homosexuality" isn't listed under the "protected" classes in federal employment discrimination law. So that's actually something at the national level, not the state level.
Civil unions are also a hot topic nation-wide, and many other states also had anti-homosexuality laws on the books as well. In fact, here in Texas one of the state-authorized health textbooks listed the anti-homosexuality laws in the back of the book along with a few other laws.
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Post by Yaezakura on May 2, 2009 16:30:52 GMT -5
FYI - "homosexuality" isn't listed under the "protected" classes in federal employment discrimination law. So that's actually something at the national level, not the state level. Yes, the federal laws do not include homosexuality yet. However, many states include such provisions in their own laws. The only reason Utah does not is the plague of Mormonism that infects the state. |
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Post by Lady Renae on May 2, 2009 16:57:41 GMT -5
FYI - "homosexuality" isn't listed under the "protected" classes in federal employment discrimination law. Granted, it only applies to Federal employees, but it's a start, a precedent, and a Federal law against discrimination regarding sexuality, homo- and hetero- alike. |
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Post by erictheblue on May 2, 2009 17:10:46 GMT -5
FYI - "homosexuality" isn't listed under the "protected" classes in federal employment discrimination law. Sorry, LR. Sky is right. Sexual orientation is protected for employees of the Executive Branch of the Federal government (not in general) by Executive Order (not law). |
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Post by Lady Renae on May 2, 2009 17:22:11 GMT -5
The EO in question has the same weight as law, acts as law, and is for all intents and purposes the same thing as law.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, breeds like a duck, but happens to have a longer neck, it's still waterfowl. You can feed it bread crumbs. It will eat them.
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