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Post by Meshakhad on Sept 13, 2011 16:25:00 GMT -5
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Post by Oriet on Sept 13, 2011 16:53:27 GMT -5
Holy crap, that's horrible. I'm also wondering if the increased searches like this, that would have been seen as a complete violation of a person's rights 15 years ago, have actually prevented anything from happening, or if all actual prevention was well before a person ever physically arrived at the airport or did something phenomenally stupid that would have been caught 30 years ago.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Sept 13, 2011 17:07:44 GMT -5
This does not prevent terrorism.
This perpetuates terrorism. This is al Qaeda's victory over us.
And some of the comments are actually that the "saddest part of the article" is the author's own reactionary thoughts to the situation, and how she "obviously lied" in some parts.
White privilege >:[
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Post by ltfred on Sept 13, 2011 17:08:33 GMT -5
How much money did it cost to assuage the baseless, racist beliefs of brainless police officers? Millions?
Edit: clearly all officers involved should be fired, proseccuted for racial discrimination and never employed anywhere again. They are clearly incapable of thinking and therefore unworthy of employment.
Anyone who thinks that three black people on an airplane in a row looks suspicious should work at MacDonalds, not in the police force.
Clearly there is a major intelligence deficit at the police department. This should be investigated, with highest priority. The government should ensure that only those people sufficiently intelligent to be able to work out when something is a grievous waste of police time and money and a violation of someone's rights are employed by the government.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Sept 13, 2011 18:02:47 GMT -5
I'm speechless.
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Post by Yaezakura on Sept 13, 2011 18:09:33 GMT -5
ltfred... it wasn't the officers who said anything looked suspicious. It was other passengers on the plane. The officers have to respond to the call, unfortunately. Horrible as it is, it's the law.
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Post by Colosphe on Sept 13, 2011 18:49:32 GMT -5
The people who reported them for "suspicious activity," (AKA being brown people) were assholes of the highest magnitude. The extent to which the officers went on a suspicion was beyond what I'd call acceptable.
If they found SOMETHING, if a story was descriptive and credible, I think it'd warrant the extent the officers went to. If they had evidence of some kind, I'd think it was all justified (against whomever they had some evidence on). 50 events of this kind? Not so much; all probably some pricks who racially profiled the other passengers... Not to say that 50 suspicious activity reports shouldn't be investigated; they should just be far less extreme than THIS.
I'm probably just jaded or something.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Sept 13, 2011 18:53:20 GMT -5
Why do the officers have to respond to the call? Isn't it more appropriate to tell the guy to talk to the flight attendant and stay on the line, just in case?
Personally, I think the guy who reported should be held responsible. His only reasoning was "suspicious activity."
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Post by Oriet on Sept 13, 2011 19:43:40 GMT -5
Yeah, here's a question, what kind of activity is "suspicious," anyway? What criteria are they using, or is it completely subjective making it absolute crap? Rummaging around in a bag, especially if you're not sure if it's their bag, sure, that can be suspicious, as can trying to light one's clothing on fire (such as past cases of underwear and shoes), however I think all such reports need to have it said what the suspicious activity is/was, or be immediately dismissed as a waste of time and effort.
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Post by Kit Walker on Sept 13, 2011 19:45:41 GMT -5
Why do the officers have to respond to the call? Isn't it more appropriate to tell the guy to talk to the flight attendant and stay on the line, just in case? For the same reason the police respond to 911 hang-ups, reports from neighbors about shouting from inside a residence, etc - because we would rather be safe than sorry. It isn't the investigation that was wrong, it was the detainment and strip search. A quick "excuse me, could the three of you come over here and answer some questions briefly" would be an annoying story of racial profiling. This is a fucking travesty. Analogy: The official response to these suspicions is kind of like getting a double mastectomy because you think you felt a lump on one breast. |
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Post by erictheblue on Sept 13, 2011 19:51:19 GMT -5
The people who reported them for "suspicious activity," (AKA being brown people) were assholes of the highest magnitude. The extent to which the officers went on a suspicion was beyond what I'd call acceptable. I agree with your first statement. I am unsure about the second. People here are reacting this way for one reason - there was no actual threat. But we have the benefit of hindsight; the officers did not. They received a threat that had to be investigated. I am not sure if the officers went too far. In hindsight, it looks like they did. But again, that is hindsight; given that they believed there could be a threat, it is possible their actions could be justified. Keep in mind, this was 9/11 - the perfect day to carry out an attack for symbolic reasons. Hindsight is 20/20 Again, hindsight. No matter how many threats there were, they all have to be investigated. There is no way to know which one is real. (As an aside, it would be good tactics for a group that wanted to carry out an attack to make several false reports prior to carrying out the real one in an attempt to get the officers to stop paying attention.) This I agree with Why do the officers have to respond to the call? Because if they hadn't and there had been something to the call, the officers would have been blamed. |
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Sept 13, 2011 19:58:03 GMT -5
This kind of thing is precisely why I'm nervous about traveling in the US.
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Post by Meshakhad on Sept 13, 2011 20:34:28 GMT -5
Even if there was a credible threat, they denied her constitutional rights. She has the right to a lawyer and to face her accuser directly.
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Post by tygerarmy on Sept 13, 2011 20:54:43 GMT -5
Ridiculous.
But clearly all officers involved should not be fired.
If someone makes a claim and whichever agency called to investigate comes they have to follow protocols and investigate. The failure here is on the flight crew they should have watched the passengers and made the determination. Which makes me think it was one of them that filed the report. The only thing that could be done is getting the person for filing a false report which then requires proving that they knowingly filed a report on them because they are brown people, which would waste even more money.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Sept 13, 2011 21:15:01 GMT -5
You know, I won't blame the cops if that's the route they HAVE to go to in order to investigate calls like this. Clearly, there is something wrong, but it is not their fault, IF that is the case.
Either way, this story is wrong on multiple levels, not JUST the guy filing the report. And I don't buy this "hindsight" business either. It's just common sense not to call the cops on every little movement. If I operated under that idiotic principle, I'd be calling the police every time I heard a strange noise in my house, then later going, "Well, now that we have the benefit of HINDSIGHT...."
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