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Post by Yaezakura on May 2, 2009 22:42:55 GMT -5
I mean under controlled circumstances so they can see if it's torture firsthand..... The problem is, it's not very effective under controlled circumstances. With the real thing, you don't know when it'll happen, how often, if they'll actually stop this time, what else they may do to you while it's going on, etc. When you know for a fact you're safe, there's no reason to be afraid. |
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Post by devilschaplain2 on May 2, 2009 22:58:53 GMT -5
I mean under controlled circumstances so they can see if it's torture firsthand..... The problem is, it's not very effective under controlled circumstances. With the real thing, you don't know when it'll happen, how often, if they'll actually stop this time, what else they may do to you while it's going on, etc. When you know for a fact you're safe, there's no reason to be afraid. I'd say it's still fairly nightmarish even in controlled settings.... |
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Post by antichrist on May 2, 2009 23:52:59 GMT -5
I'm sure that the people who are being really water boarded aren't given the handy dandy, too much stress stoppers.
The closest I can think of is having my head held under water by bullies at the swimming pool or lake. I can tell you that I would of admitted to anything to make them stop.
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Post by szaleniec on May 3, 2009 0:28:06 GMT -5
Well, so much for their claims to be apolitical. After all, what common ground could there possibly be between a political movement advocating fear as a tool for social control and a death cult?
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Post by devilschaplain2 on May 3, 2009 1:13:35 GMT -5
I'm sure that the people who are being really water boarded aren't given the handy dandy, too much stress stoppers. Right, but that isn't the point. The point is that even under such circumstances it feels as though one is drowning and he wakes up after feeling as though he was being smothered. Now you have to imagine that without their precautions. That's the point. |
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Post by Hades on May 3, 2009 1:37:23 GMT -5
This is the response I got from MrMannn:
Waterboarding is NOT torture. And please do not give the impression that people are lesser Christians because they disagree with you.
Yes, that's a good little Christian. You just keep on repeating what you hear from your deluded brethren. Waterboarding isn't torture. There are no transitional fossils. Yes, you're doing wonderfully. |
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Post by ytdn on May 3, 2009 3:40:05 GMT -5
That kind of viewpoint makes me sick. I'm a sort-of Christian, and seeing the RR-ers mince the Bible and ignore what Jesus said,, then claim they are true Christians makes the entire religion look bad.
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Post by deliciousdemon on May 3, 2009 7:11:33 GMT -5
That kind of viewpoint makes me sick. I'm a sort-of Christian, and seeing the RR-ers mince the Bible and ignore what Jesus said,, then claim they are true Christians makes the entire religion look bad. Now you've got it! |
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Post by dasfuchs on May 3, 2009 7:27:47 GMT -5
Welcome to RR, check your brain at the door Read the entire RR thread; it's absolutely abhorrent, and I'm not even kidding. Some of those people checked more than their brains at the door. Trust me, I already know. most of my family is heavy christian, my father thinks killing all middle easterners is too good and too compassionate. Instead we should enslave them and treat them like we did the black man centuries ago |
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Post by schizophonic on May 3, 2009 15:36:08 GMT -5
I'd like to ask them if they would consider it torture if it were happening to their child at the hands of the Taliban. Yeah, but hypocrisy only becomes apparent in a logical mind. |
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Post by Deimos on May 3, 2009 19:58:41 GMT -5
Read the entire RR thread; it's absolutely abhorrent, and I'm not even kidding. Some of those people checked more than their brains at the door. Trust me, I already know. most of my family is heavy christian, my father thinks killing all middle easterners is too good and too compassionate. Instead we should enslave them and treat them like we did the black man centuries ago He sounds like he has such a colorful personality |
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Post by insanedesigner on May 3, 2009 20:05:41 GMT -5
Bah, these people need to drown (...) in their own stupidity. Before I went to that place, I was sure there was stupidity in the world, but having all of them in one place is just intellectual suicide. I mean, what right do they have to say it is not torture? It baffles me.
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Post by crazalus on May 4, 2009 5:02:34 GMT -5
Water-boarding is controlled drowning. It is torture. ... The United States now has absolutely no moral authority to be telling other countries how to end human rights abuses or stop the mistreatment of war prisoners. This is the response I got from MrMannn:
Waterboarding is NOT torture. And please do not give the impression that people are lesser Christians because they disagree with you.
WWII... some Japanese guards waterboarded Allied POW's... after the war ended, those guards were tried and convicted of war-crimes... specifically torture (waterboarding). I wonder if MrMannn is going to admit that they tried and executed those people for torture that wasn't torture? |
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Post by atheiess on May 4, 2009 9:53:24 GMT -5
If we don't do it to terrorists, we shouldn't do it to morons either. I mean under controlled circumstances so they can see if it's torture firsthand..... Many cities make sure that their police officers have mace sprayed in their faces and are zapped with a taser before they are allowed to actively use these devices on the public, just so they will know exactly what it will feel like if they ever need to use them on another human being. It helps eliminate reckless use, because a can of mace might not seem like a real weapon until you feel it stinging in your eyes. I agree that everyone who doesn't think that waterboarding is torture should try it and let us know if they change their minds. |
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Post by rrvisitor on May 4, 2009 11:12:19 GMT -5
I don't come here much (I'm a visitor from RR), but when I do I find it amusing when people here gripe about being booted from RR for various reasons. Atheists are only allowed on the Apologists forum and they must state when they sign up that they are an atheist to gain permission to post there. When you go over there and post to other forums, OF COURSE you are going to get booted! You're an atheist!! You're not allowed there! And you can't hide your nature, eventually you post something that makes it clear that you are an atheist. You're not getting kicked off because of one comment, but when you make a comment that goes against the philosophy of the boards then that puts you under the microscope and it's hard to hide your leanings then.
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