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Post by rebelliousscot on Oct 12, 2009 20:50:45 GMT -5
Okay, I was conversing with sky yes conversing not slagging him off and I learnt something, such as how bad Japan is, but it keeps it all hidden, and we hear only scant rumours or such as. Since I know so little about this, I'm just beginning the discussion skyfire it's up to ya to get things going.
I'll begin with due to regimental sorta practices in schools, private or public, students have to wear uniform a certain way, and failure is considered the worse thing to happen, which leads to suicide or such as.
Off you go Sky.
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Post by skyfire on Oct 12, 2009 20:53:02 GMT -5
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Post by rebelliousscot on Oct 12, 2009 20:57:44 GMT -5
Doh! Thanks, anyway, to continue Sky. In Japan they're so obsessed with their job and work that if failure happens, they see suicide as the more obvious option correct? But how does Japan keep work force so thick then, because we're humans we make mistakes. |
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Post by ottery on Oct 12, 2009 21:02:47 GMT -5
Okay, I was conversing with sky yes conversing not slagging him off and I learnt something, such as how bad Japan is, but it keeps it all hidden, and we hear only scant rumours or such as. Since I know so little about this, I'm just beginning the discussion skyfire it's up to ya to get things going. I'll begin with due to regimental sorta practices in schools, private or public, Regimental? Care to elaborate? Oh nohes! A uniform! Every society has people that can't take the pressure. Failure is pretty bad, but like I said, some people take it worse than others. Heck, some guy just jumped off one of our bridges over here because his girlfriend broke up with him. That doesn't mean that all of Portland thinks that breakups are the worst thing to happen. Please stop judging an entire country based on anime, manga, and a fringe few. |
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Post by skyfire on Oct 12, 2009 21:07:28 GMT -5
Doh! Thanks, anyway, to continue Sky. In Japan they're so obsessed with their job and work that if failure happens, they see suicide as the more obvious option correct? But how does Japan keep work force so thick then, because we're humans we make mistakes. As with just about any other nation, suicide is usually due to things like a person not being able to hack it any more or a person feeling that it would be a dramatic way to go (ever see the video for Pearl Jam's "Jeremy?" it's about a real-life incident wherein a kid killed himself in front of his classmates). Seppuku - a type of ritualistic suicide - is indeed part of the culture as a way to die with honor in case someone hugs up or is caught in a bad spot, but from what I understand it's rare for such a situation to actually happen nowadays. The last high-profile one I've heard about was back in the 1980s, when a police chief immolated himself after being unable to make any significant headway in a high-profile kidnapping case (the head of the Glico confectionery company being the victim); his officers couldn't catch the guy and so he opted to commit suicide rather than live with the knowledge that his department failed to catch the kidnapper. Death due to overwork is, from what I understand, more likely to happen than suicide. |
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Post by rebelliousscot on Oct 12, 2009 21:08:32 GMT -5
Okay, I was conversing with sky yes conversing not slagging him off and I learnt something, such as how bad Japan is, but it keeps it all hidden, and we hear only scant rumours or such as. Since I know so little about this, I'm just beginning the discussion skyfire it's up to ya to get things going. I'll begin with due to regimental sorta practices in schools, private or public, Regimental? Care to elaborate? Oh nohes! A uniform! Every society has people that can't take the pressure. Failure is pretty bad, but like I said, some people take it worse than others. Heck, some guy just jumped off one of our bridges over here because his girlfriend broke up with him. That doesn't mean that all of Portland thinks that breakups are the worst thing to happen. Please stop judging an entire country based on anime, manga, and a fringe few. The other thread goes into more depth into it. But Japan is known as one of the countries with highest suicides rates, and the reasons listed play a major part into this. Just click the link and ya'll see what I mean. |
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Post by Art Vandelay on Oct 12, 2009 21:15:14 GMT -5
From what I know, there are still a lot of imperialist elements of society that are alive and kicking. The Americans didn't quite manage to stamp it all out after WWII, contrary to what most people believe. Of course, I'm not exactly an expert in this area, as all I've done is read books and had a few very brief conversations (one of which while high and drunk) with a few people who've experienced it.
I do know that they actually have Yakuza-funded vans that are essentially speakers on wheels that drive around major cities blasting out imperialist propaganda and patriotic songs and speeches. Whether or not most people take it seriously though is questionable methinks, in fact I think the main reason they're around in the first place is that people are too polite to complain about it. Although as I said, I'm probably completely wrong here so take what I've said with a barrel of salt.
I'll shut up now.
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Post by RavynousHunter on Oct 12, 2009 21:17:33 GMT -5
Hidden truth? I've known about the uniforms and suicides since I was 5.
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Post by ironbite on Oct 12, 2009 21:18:28 GMT -5
Mainly because, as you've said Sky, Japan values honor. And they'd rather kill themselves to regain that honor then to work at regaining that honor. Really sad when you think about it.
Ironbite-apperently it's the express way to regain your honor and it's really really cheap way of regaining said honor.
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Post by purimpopoie on Oct 12, 2009 21:23:41 GMT -5
Um... do either of you live in Japan? Or have lived in Japan for an impressive length of time?
I mean, I haven't. I remember reading that Mr Turquoise has. But I haven't. And since I haven't lived there, I'm not going to say I know what their culture is like. I mean, I've watched about 600 Episodes of Pokemon. I just don't think that's what I should base my assumptions of a culture on.
Basically, what I'm saying is: Please do not try to debate cultures in which you have no experience.
If you have lived in Japan for a long time, and/or are from Japan by birth, I apologize. I just haven't gone through the other topic and read it. Please disregard this message in that case.
Thank you, and have a nice day.
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Post by MaybeNever on Oct 12, 2009 21:23:43 GMT -5
"Their culture is different" =/= "their culture is worse".
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Post by RavynousHunter on Oct 12, 2009 21:26:56 GMT -5
No, but I've had friends from Japan; friends I would consider reliable.
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Post by ottery on Oct 12, 2009 21:27:34 GMT -5
Regimental? Care to elaborate? Oh nohes! A uniform! Every society has people that can't take the pressure. Failure is pretty bad, but like I said, some people take it worse than others. Heck, some guy just jumped off one of our bridges over here because his girlfriend broke up with him. That doesn't mean that all of Portland thinks that breakups are the worst thing to happen. Please stop judging an entire country based on anime, manga, and a fringe few. The other thread goes into more depth into it. But Japan is known as one of the countries with highest suicides rates, and the reasons listed play a major part into this. Just click the link and ya'll see what I mean. I looked through, and I didn't see anything other than opinion. No links to respected news sources or anything. I'd rather you post the information in this thread in stead of having me slog through BS. |
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Post by skyfire on Oct 12, 2009 21:30:51 GMT -5
If you have lived in Japan for a long time, and/or are from Japan by birth, I apologize. I just haven't gone through the other topic and read it. Please disregard this message in that case. Thank you, and have a nice day. Read it. The discussion started when RS and I got to talking about a baby bust that Japan is undergoing and how it's affecting the toy industry. This led to us discussing different points about Japanese society, with an initial emphasis on Japanese business. Given that I'm a business major, this is something that has actually been discussed in more than a few of my classes; my Organizational Behavior class actually featured a 15-minute news video about kairoshi deaths (it was one of several videos that came with the textbook). The rest is stuff that can easily be found on Wiki or that you can learn about by asking around. It's not that hard. |
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Post by rebelliousscot on Oct 12, 2009 21:31:30 GMT -5
Well Sky, I think you should put up some evidence. Because now I think about it, some is kinda sketchy. If it takes time no worries. But I should stop talking now, it's late and my intelligence just keep lowering.
ji jingh all.
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