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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Sept 22, 2011 2:21:46 GMT -5
Someone popped that out on me when I said a woman really couldn't claim rape if she and a man decided to have sex while drunk. Neither forced the other, so why is one a rapist?
After they posted it, I said, "That analogy would be more like this."
Victim: Officer, that man stole $20 from me. Officer: What happened? Victim: We gave each other $20. But I was drunk and didn't know what was happening, so I want him arrested for robbing me. Officer: So you both gave up $20 willingly and in the same mental state and you think he's somehow more guilty than you are? Victim: Yes!
Then I was told to stop defending rapists.
Of course, these same people tend to claim misandry doesn't exist.
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Post by lighthorseman on Sept 22, 2011 2:32:01 GMT -5
Someone popped that out on me when I said a woman really couldn't claim rape if she and a man decided to have sex while drunk. Neither forced the other, so why is one a rapist? After they posted it, I said, "That analogy would be more like this." Victim: Officer, that man stole $20 from me. Officer: What happened? Victim: We gave each other $20. But I was drunk and didn't know what was happening, so I want him arrested for robbing me. Officer: So you both gave up $20 willingly and in the same mental state and you think he's somehow more guilty than you are? Victim: Yes! Then I was told to stop defending rapists. Of course, these same people tend to claim misandry doesn't exist. If both people are drunk... I think thats sort of a different kettle of fish. One I don't really want to touch with a 40ft science pole.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Sept 22, 2011 2:40:26 GMT -5
Someone popped that out on me when I said a woman really couldn't claim rape if she and a man decided to have sex while drunk. Neither forced the other, so why is one a rapist? After they posted it, I said, "That analogy would be more like this." Victim: Officer, that man stole $20 from me. Officer: What happened? Victim: We gave each other $20. But I was drunk and didn't know what was happening, so I want him arrested for robbing me. Officer: So you both gave up $20 willingly and in the same mental state and you think he's somehow more guilty than you are? Victim: Yes! Then I was told to stop defending rapists. Of course, these same people tend to claim misandry doesn't exist. I'm betting these people don't believe it's possible for a woman to rape a man. Because, you know, men have magical control over their penises and don't get hard if they don't want it. And only penile penetration can be rape. Yep.
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Post by gyeonghwa on Sept 22, 2011 3:13:54 GMT -5
Someone popped that out on me when I said a woman really couldn't claim rape if she and a man decided to have sex while drunk. Neither forced the other, so why is one a rapist? After they posted it, I said, "That analogy would be more like this." Victim: Officer, that man stole $20 from me. Officer: What happened? Victim: We gave each other $20. But I was drunk and didn't know what was happening, so I want him arrested for robbing me. Officer: So you both gave up $20 willingly and in the same mental state and you think he's somehow more guilty than you are? Victim: Yes! Then I was told to stop defending rapists. Of course, these same people tend to claim misandry doesn't exist. Totally different thing. Drunken sex is . . . grey for a lack of better description. To clarify: in drunken sex, it completely possible for there to be no bad side. It's completely possible that both sides are enthusiastic about. I've seen drunk gals and guys hook-up in the rightway. Unfortunately, some men will get women drunk enough, all the while remaining much less drunk. Then those guys will claim they were both drunk and it would be hard to prove it wasn't. From another perspective, rapists spoils sex for everyone.
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Post by lighthorseman on Sept 22, 2011 3:36:06 GMT -5
From another perspective, rapists spoils sex for everyone. This.
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Sept 22, 2011 3:44:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised. There was a wish thread, and one person said, "I wish men would stop raping women." (Yes, rape is a big topic there.) Anyway, I thought that was a strange statement. Wouldn't you wish all people could stop being raped? I wish men would stop raping women, I wish women would stop raping men, I wish men would stop raping men, and I wish women would stop raping women. Why specify you wish men would stop raping women? I'm pretty sure all rape is bad, against whichever sex.
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Post by lighthorseman on Sept 22, 2011 3:56:21 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised. There was a wish thread, and one person said, "I wish men would stop raping women." (Yes, rape is a big topic there.) Anyway, I thought that was a strange statement. Wouldn't you wish all people could stop being raped? I wish men would stop raping women, I wish women would stop raping men, I wish men would stop raping men, and I wish women would stop raping women. Why specify you wish men would stop raping women? I'm pretty sure all rape is bad, against whichever sex. Where is "there"?
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Sept 22, 2011 20:35:46 GMT -5
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Sept 22, 2011 21:13:16 GMT -5
Listen, to get into college I had to fill out a form that was 2 hours of how to not perform a hypothetical date rape. I think if I want 10 minutes of male-relevent anti-exploitation info, then that monkey can sit down & put up with it.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Sept 22, 2011 21:23:35 GMT -5
Was this intended to be a dig at me and clockworkgirl?
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Post by lighthorseman on Sept 23, 2011 3:11:49 GMT -5
Listen, to get into college I had to fill out a form that was 2 hours of how to not perform a hypothetical date rape. I think if I want 10 minutes of male-relevent anti-exploitation info, then that monkey can sit down & put up with it. Second.
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Post by lighthorseman on Sept 23, 2011 3:12:26 GMT -5
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Sept 23, 2011 5:23:33 GMT -5
"There" is a Livejournal group called Thequestionsclub.
And I'm well aware most rape victims are women. But it's nice to let male victims know at least some people acknowledge what happened to them.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Sept 23, 2011 5:40:06 GMT -5
"There" is a Livejournal group called Thequestionsclub. And I'm well aware most rape victims are women. But it's nice to let male victims know at least some people acknowledge what happened to them. In fact, it is precisely because men make up such a low reported percentage of rape victims that people should be reminded that men can be raped, too. It's already bad enough that women who are raped by men are treated as asking for it, but men who are raped by women are treated as invisible. Except when it's a man raping another man, in which case, it's treated... Hold on, how are they treated?
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Post by brendanrizzo on Sept 23, 2011 8:55:32 GMT -5
Male-on-male rape is treated as comedy, Zachski. It's a ridiculously-callous double standard and I don't like it either, but that's what society thinks. It's even prevalent enough to have a TV Tropes article.
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