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Post by szaleniec on Nov 8, 2011 20:23:47 GMT -5
It's a complex issue that can't really be reduced to soundbites, it's true, though I do believe "ones and zeroes" to be a lot closer to the mark than "piracy = theft". I think as much as anything was rage at anyone thinking that this was a proper response to an unlicensed download.
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Post by anti-nonsense on Nov 8, 2011 21:46:39 GMT -5
a judge oughta know that the proper response to illegal activity is to report it, not engage in vigilante "justice".
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Post by tolpuddlemartyr on Nov 8, 2011 21:58:10 GMT -5
Oi! Can i go Jigsaw on him and make it so every time a person types on a computer he gets injected with cyanide? Judge Death would fall into a coma and/or have a heart attack way before things could really become interesting. You don't want that, do you?  Don't compare this fecal parasite to the mighty JD! |
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Post by Thejebusfire on Nov 8, 2011 21:59:30 GMT -5
He could have sat her down, firmly told her what she did was wrong and why, and then take the pc out of her room.
Oh wait, that would be parenting.
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Post by Twilight Zone on Nov 8, 2011 22:13:52 GMT -5
Legal issues aside, even it was theft when the government taxes you it's initiation of force and theft. There is no greater thief than government. While I do judge people, I also tolerate them because no one is perfect and that includes me. I don't have children, but I would not beat my child for any reason.
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Also, I don't think it's right to tell people how to raise their children. I don't involve myself in anything that imposes my will on another person. And there are people I do not tolerate, such as rapists and pedophiles.
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Post by nightangel1282 on Nov 8, 2011 23:23:02 GMT -5
*Sighs heavily and starts rubbing her temples wearily*
I should have known better than to read something like this when I have a pre-existing headache that tylenol is doing nothing for. My rage has now increased that headache to something closer to a migrane. Excuse me while I go to the corner and cry for the future of humanity, while simultaneously fantasizing about having that judge strapped down to a bed while I, his wife, and daughter all surround and whip him with belts.
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Post by the sandman on Nov 9, 2011 0:03:45 GMT -5
The real question this raises is not whether or not a parent has the right (and responsibility) to discipline their child, but where the line is that separates "discipline" from "abuse."
In my opinion, this incident clearly crosses the line between discipline and abuse, and it's made all the more serious by the fact that this was such a common and predictable reaction by the parent that the child was able to predict and tape it.
But is all physical correction of a child "abuse?"
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Post by the sandman on Nov 9, 2011 0:09:01 GMT -5
There's something very depressing about the commenter finding the idea of unlicensed downloading being theft (of what from whom? You're just rearranging a few magnetic poles on a hard drive!) easier to grasp than the idea of it being wrong to physically abuse your family. Personally, I don't consider piracy to be theft at all. Theft isn't just taking something that doesn't belong to you, it's taking it away from someone it does belong to. (That is, a thief steals your TV, not only did he take YOUR TV, but now you don't have that TV to watch.) Piracy would be more like entering a town, magically copying every valuable in it, and leaving without actually causing any damage or taking anything away from anyone. I'm not saying it's right (that's a whole 'nother can of worms) I'm just saying it's not theft. It's its own unique creature, it's shaped like itself. And either way, I agree with you, it isn't even 1% as bad as beating someone with a belt >  Sigh. This again. We've had this discussion around here before. Piracy is theft. If I write a book, and you download it rather than purchasing it, you have stolen my work. It doesn't matter if you aren't taking a physical object, or if you had no intention of purchasing it anyway. You have taken the fruits of my efforts without compensating me. That is theft. The legal system in the United States sees it as theft. If you go before a judge for piracy, he isn't going to give shit one about your opinion. Justify it to yourself all you want, but legally, morally, and ethically, piracy is theft. If I write a program, and you pirate it, you can be damn sure I am going to sue your ass. I worked hard to code that thing, and you come in and just take it. Dude....it's theft. |
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Post by ironbite on Nov 9, 2011 0:37:55 GMT -5
Legal issues aside, even it was theft when the government taxes you it's initiation of force and theft. There is no greater thief than government. While I do judge people, I also tolerate them because no one is perfect and that includes me. I don't have children, but I would not beat my child for any reason. edit Also, I don't think it's right to tell people how to raise their children. I don't involve myself in anything that imposes my will on another person. And there are people I do not tolerate, such as rapists and pedophiles. Man does that not sound familiar for some reason. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 9, 2011 4:16:59 GMT -5
Justify it to yourself all you want, Sorry, Sandman, but this is where your argument crashed and burned. Please, re-read my post to see why. And please, in the future, read my posts more thoroughly before jumping on them. |
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Post by the sandman on Nov 9, 2011 8:57:33 GMT -5
Justify it to yourself all you want, Sorry, Sandman, but this is where your argument crashed and burned. Please, re-read my post to see why. And please, in the future, read my posts more thoroughly before jumping on them. Not sure I follow you there. Yes, I saw that you questioned the morality of piracy, but I think you misunderstood me there. I was using a generic "you" in my post. I am sorry that it came across as me directly addressing you, personally. I think I formatted my comment poorly, because now that I re-read it, it sure as hell does seem like I was doing that. But I'm not sure why you say I crashed and burned there. You only quote a portion of what I said taken out of context. I was expressing the opinion that one can justify to oneself all one wants that piracy is not theft, but as I see it and as the law sees it, it most definitely is. I'm not really trying to start shit with you here, and I would be lying if I said I had never downloaded something of questionable legality or copied a friend's CD. I was just expressing my opinion. |
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Post by syaoranvee on Nov 9, 2011 9:19:30 GMT -5
In the United States, piracy laws allow for up to five years in prison and $250,000 in fines. You can also face civil penalties that can run into thousands of dollars, even if you did not charge for the copies. Simply by sharing copyrighted content with others, you prevented the rightful owner from profiting from the sale of his/her intellectual property.
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Post by rageaholic on Nov 9, 2011 10:24:07 GMT -5
Wanna facepalm even more? www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/m009s/you_have_been_used_judge_beats_daughter/In fact, the whole thread if facepalm and rage worthy. Some are actually accusing her of entrapment. YES entrapment: because since she obviously taped it, it means she must have done something to ask for it. No words... And if you want even more insane troll logic, check out this "Hypothetical situation". "lol ok, well then tell me how you would deal with this hypothetical. Let's say that prior to turning the camera on, this girl had kidnapped her younger sister and stored her in a cage under the bed. She screams to her father "I'm tired of you running my life and I'm going to hurt (younger sister) if you fuck with me anymore, you old pathetic excuse for a man!" She then runs into her room, locks the door, and turns on the webcam, being careful to hide any indicators of its presence. The father breaks down the door, screaming and yelling, and whips the daughter as we've seen, ashamed that he's raised such a monster and rambling about downloading music or whatever. After he's done, he leaves the room to get the key to unlock the younger sister's cage, and the daughter flips off the webcam. Would this change your opinion of the situation at all? Apparently not, since you "don't give a shit about any immoral reasons behind the daughters choice to record the incident."" *insert nostalgia critic quote about what a dumbass he is* |
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Post by N. De Plume on Nov 9, 2011 10:27:21 GMT -5
I think as much as anything was rage at anyone thinking that this was a proper response to an unlicensed download. Fair enough. |
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Post by Vene on Nov 9, 2011 12:21:17 GMT -5
Sorry, Sandman, but this is where your argument crashed and burned. Please, re-read my post to see why. And please, in the future, read my posts more thoroughly before jumping on them. Not sure I follow you there. Yes, I saw that you questioned the morality of piracy, but I think you misunderstood me there. I was using a generic "you" in my post. I am sorry that it came across as me directly addressing you, personally. I think I formatted my comment poorly, because now that I re-read it, it sure as hell does seem like I was doing that. But I'm not sure why you say I crashed and burned there. You only quote a portion of what I said taken out of context. I was expressing the opinion that one can justify to oneself all one wants that piracy is not theft, but as I see it and as the law sees it, it most definitely is. I'm not really trying to start shit with you here, and I would be lying if I said I had never downloaded something of questionable legality or copied a friend's CD. I was just expressing my opinion. I'm curious as to how you think online piracy and taping a movie from the television (or recording a song from the radio) compare and contrast to each other. Not so much because I want a long, involved argument, I'm more curious as to if you see these actions as comparable or not and why. |
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