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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 26, 2011 17:59:39 GMT -5
Then wh are there citizens and legal immigrants who can't access tertiary education because opf costs? They're not barred from applying, there is no income restriction from entering, and that is the purpose of financial aid (which is, admittedly, a flawed system). There is a difference between not being able to afford something and not being able to even try. Same point to you... if there are 50 available college places, and you have 100 citizens, and 100 legal immigrants who want to attend that college in that course, how many of the 50 available places should go to illegal immigrants? |
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 26, 2011 18:17:17 GMT -5
This partially why I'm proud to be Australian. Over here, the only government attention illegals receive is deportation.
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Post by davedan on Jul 26, 2011 18:26:27 GMT -5
This partially why I'm proud to be Australian. Over here, the only government attention illegals receive is deportation. Which combined with detention is costing us a lot more money than sending each illegal immigrant to university. Sorry I should say each illegal immigrant who arrives by boat to university because we really don't do much at all against illegal immigrants who arrive by aeroplane unless they otherwise fall foul of the law. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 26, 2011 18:36:50 GMT -5
This partially why I'm proud to be Australian. Over here, the only government attention illegals receive is deportation. Helps not sharing a land border with a country with lots of would be immigrants. Fuck, can you imagine what it would be like if the bloody kiwis could walk here??? |
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 26, 2011 18:37:38 GMT -5
This partially why I'm proud to be Australian. Over here, the only government attention illegals receive is deportation. Which combined with detention is costing us a lot more money than sending each illegal immigrant to university. Sorry I should say each illegal immigrant who arrives by boat to university because we really don't do much at all against illegal immigrants who arrive by aeroplane unless they otherwise fall foul of the law. Or they are caught any other way. |
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Post by RavynousHunter on Jul 26, 2011 18:56:54 GMT -5
I have only one response to all this bullshit. I could put it in my own words, but they've already been said, many, many generations ago:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 26, 2011 18:58:22 GMT -5
I have only one response to all this bullshit. I could put it in my own words, but they've already been said, many, many generations ago: "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."Cute. And who pays for them? |
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Post by Rat Of Steel on Jul 26, 2011 18:59:20 GMT -5
I have only one response to all this bullshit. I could put it in my own words, but they've already been said, many, many generations ago: "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."You forgot the postscript: "...but, for goodness' sake, at least have them sign the registry on the way in!"  |
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Post by RavynousHunter on Jul 26, 2011 19:02:41 GMT -5
I have only one response to all this bullshit. I could put it in my own words, but they've already been said, many, many generations ago: "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."Cute. And who pays for them? I'd gladly do it myself, if I could. |
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Post by davedan on Jul 26, 2011 19:05:58 GMT -5
I have only one response to all this bullshit. I could put it in my own words, but they've already been said, many, many generations ago: "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."Cute. And who pays for them? There was a thread a while back showing figures how illegal immigrants pay more taxes in the US than many companies. So you know I guess they pay for themselves. Besides which as Vene pointed out these are for private not publicly funded scholarships. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 26, 2011 19:09:42 GMT -5
Cute. And who pays for them? There was a thread a while back showing figures how illegal immigrants pay more taxes in the US than many companies. So you know I guess they pay for themselves. Besides which as Vene pointed out these are for private not publicly funded scholarships. Funds which could be used to support citizens or legal immigrants, and funding that allows to take a college spot that either a citizen or a legal immigrant may therefore miss out on. Right? |
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 26, 2011 19:10:30 GMT -5
Cute. And who pays for them? I'd gladly do it myself, if I could. And if it were a perfect world, educationould be free, and anyone would be guaranteed a place in their course of choice. However... |
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Post by RavynousHunter on Jul 26, 2011 19:17:59 GMT -5
Doesn't mean we can't contribute via taxes. And, high schools are already tax-funded (lest you take private schooling). Also, adding more taxpayers to the population will mean, gasp, more tax revenue. What can that be used on? Better education, for one. Again, I don't think it'll save the economy, I'm idealistic, not stupid, but every bit helps.
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 26, 2011 19:19:48 GMT -5
Doesn't mean we can't contribute via taxes. And, high schools are already tax-funded (lest you take private schooling). Also, adding more taxpayers to the population will mean, gasp, more tax revenue. What can that be used on? Better education, for one. Again, I don't think it'll save the economy, I'm idealistic, not stupid, but every bit helps. What IS the current unemployment rate in the US? Out of interest? Because I was under the (possibly mistaken) impression that there weren't enough jobs to go around as it is? |
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Post by RavynousHunter on Jul 26, 2011 19:22:28 GMT -5
Irrelevant. Most of the illegals are already employed. Having citizenship would only mean that they're paying taxes and their employers can put them officially on the books, thereby paying taxes themselves.
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