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Post by ltfred on Aug 5, 2011 16:30:03 GMT -5
While I totally agree with you that "racism against whites has never been sponsored by the government and American cultural norms" the above statement is a huge stretch. I agree. It's clearly wrong- white Americans have occasionally been victims of hate crimes. That's why I didn't make that claim. But whites have never been victims of prejudice or discrimination, by which I mean a system of racism, for being white Americans. |
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Aug 5, 2011 16:46:30 GMT -5
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Aug 5, 2011 16:47:44 GMT -5
ltfred, there are PLENTY of white Confederate flag bearers who don't give much thought to the racial implications because, well, they have no reason to. If they don't have any associates, friends, or family members who are sensitive to or can reasonably explain why the flag is so offensive (on several levels) why would they see it as anything but what they were raised to think of it as, which is typically a symbol of Southern pride?
Granted, the only family members I have who support the Confederate flag being used in anything but a historical context are racist, secessionist fuckheads, but not everyone who uses it is like them. I've known someone who used to date a white boy who proudly portrayed the flag, and when she explained to him why it offended her, he had a "well fuck why didn't I realize that before?" moment and got rid of it.
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Aug 5, 2011 16:51:20 GMT -5
I'm of the view that anyone waving, owning or displaying a Confederate flag should excecuted as a traitor. That's the only thing the flag represents- treason, hatred, destruction of human rights and the historic inferiority of Southern political institutions and culture. People who raise that flag of treason are doing so to show their belief in and support for that behaviour and should be treated accordingly. And here we have a textbook example demonstrating how both ends of the political spectrum suck donkey dick. I agree that the Confederate flag represents racism and treason--I don't care to hear any whining about fucking "Southern pride", especially since I'm from the South--but execution? C'mon, I'd never go that far, even hyperbolically speaking. |
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Post by canadian mojo on Aug 5, 2011 16:54:11 GMT -5
And here we have a textbook example demonstrating how both ends of the political spectrum suck donkey dick. Do you not agree that the Confederate Flag is a symbol only of treason? You are talking to a man who lives in a country where up until recently Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition was a strictly regional party dedicated to separating. Irrespective of whether I think it symbolic of treason or not, I do think that Jean-Paul Marat wannabes suck donkey dick because their philosophies are just as destructive as anything the far right can muster. |
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Post by Passerby on Aug 5, 2011 17:11:06 GMT -5
I tend not to think of 'wiggers' as white boys who 'act black' but as white boys who think blaxploitation flicks and music videos are documentaries rather than over-the-top representations purely for entertainment and use them as a how-to guide for success in life and survival on the streets. Emulating a god-awful stereotype of black men is almost incidental.
It's like mistaking any other piece of media for fact. It's why you see tourists trying to "act local and blend in" only to be a public spectacle.
The biggest problem with this is that these morons actually think they're being culturally sensitive as opposed to parroting media. Dave Chapelle does his shtick for laughs, 50 Cent makes his image for sales, these idiots are being serious. Bigotry, like any other insult, resides with intent. If you're passing a ridiculous perception off as fact when evidence to the contrary is readily available you're a bigot, intentional or no. If you're making a parody of a perception and let people know it, then you're having a risque laugh. If you make those jokes non-stop with poor timing and have no sense of when it pisses people off then you're a douchebag.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Aug 5, 2011 17:46:57 GMT -5
Does the school have any black students? And if so, do they get to act like Dave Chappelle when he parodies white people? Though it does raise the question of why "Wigger Day" is highly frowned upon while nobody bats an eyelash at Dave Chappelle when he does pretty much the same thing on national TV. Yeah, but in Dave's defense, we have white people that do the same thing to other white people. I'm talking about you Jeff Foxworthy. I just do not got the patience.. To deal with these cocky caucasians who think I'm some wigger who just tries to be black cause I talk With an accent, and grab on my balls, so they always keep askin The same fuckin questions.. I couldn't help it. |
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Post by jackmann on Aug 5, 2011 17:56:03 GMT -5
Sadly, freedom of speech has to protect everyone, even the morons. Unless they're openly advocating sedition, they have a right to display their flag, and it's generally understood that most people displaying the flag are not, themselves, intending to start another civil war (much as they may fantasize about it). Now, I do agree that one is justified in treating them like idiots. Freedom of speech should have consequences. But they should be in line with what they've actually done.
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Post by John E on Aug 5, 2011 19:27:16 GMT -5
Well that'll teach me to read forum topics more carefully. I thought it said "Winger Day," and I wondered why a mediocre 80s hair band would have its own day.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Aug 5, 2011 19:59:00 GMT -5
While I totally agree with you that "racism against whites has never been sponsored by the government and American cultural norms" the above statement is a huge stretch. A stretch to say that no white person has ever been a victim of a hate crime (which is the opposite of what I was saying), or a stretch to think that that's what Fred meant? I agree. It's clearly wrong- white Americans have occasionally been victims of hate crimes. That's why I didn't make that claim. But whites have never been victims of prejudice or discrimination, by which I mean a system of racism, for being white Americans. Ah. Your original post came across as though you were saying no white person has ever experienced bigotry. If you were referring to systematic racism, however, I completely agree. |
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Post by Whore of Spamylon on Aug 5, 2011 22:00:54 GMT -5
I'm of the view that anyone waving, owning or displaying a Confederate flag should excecuted as a traitor. That's the only thing the flag represents- treason, hatred, destruction of human rights and the historic inferiority of Southern political institutions and culture. People who raise that flag of treason are doing so to show their belief in and support for that behaviour and should be treated accordingly. And here we have a textbook example demonstrating how both ends of the political spectrum suck donkey dick. +1 I wouldn't go so far as to say they both deserve an equal amount of criticism, but both are worthy of criticism in general. |
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Post by Art Vandelay on Aug 5, 2011 23:05:46 GMT -5
Like I said, we end up with things like Affirmative Action, which is well intentioned but treats poverty as a racial rather than socio-economic issue and ultimately reinforces rather than weakens the idea that race somehow matters. Totally not racial.  That would be because a rather large proportion of Blacks and Hispanics are poor and thus the first to suffer in a recession. |
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Post by anon87311 on Aug 5, 2011 23:24:24 GMT -5
Yeah. The money thing really isn't due to race. Sorry. Correlation =/= causation.
and I'm with Honky on the actual issue of the topic. Nice name btw.
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Post by Vene on Aug 6, 2011 8:48:43 GMT -5
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Post by Vene on Aug 6, 2011 9:00:00 GMT -5
Also, how about this? Explain how socioeconomic factors are responsible for the fact that a white individual with a criminal record has an easier time finding a job than a black individual without one. |
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