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Post by Shane for Wax on Aug 6, 2011 10:04:16 GMT -5
I just do not got the patience.. To deal with these cocky caucasians who think I'm some wigger who just tries to be black cause I talk With an accent, and grab on my balls, so they always keep askin The same fuckin questions.. I couldn't help it. AGH IT'S IN MY HEAD! AGH! EARWIG! RAPPING EARWIG! |
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Post by ltfred on Aug 6, 2011 18:54:21 GMT -5
ltfred, there are PLENTY of white Confederate flag bearers who don't give much thought to the racial implications because, well, they have no reason to. If they don't have any associates, friends, or family members who are sensitive to or can reasonably explain why the flag is so offensive (on several levels) why would they see it as anything but what they were raised to think of it as, which is typically a symbol of Southern pride? It isn't offensive, it isn't racist, it's treasonous. That's what they mean by 'Southern Pride'- we're so proud to have committed treason and got away with it. |
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Post by ltfred on Aug 6, 2011 19:02:14 GMT -5
And here we have a textbook example demonstrating how both ends of the political spectrum suck donkey dick. I agree that the Confederate flag represents racism and treason--I don't care to hear any whining about fucking "Southern pride", especially since I'm from the South--but execution? C'mon, I'd never go that far, even hyperbolically speaking. The normal punishment for treason is execution. Perhaps a kindly judge would limit it to a few years imprisonment or a huge fine, but I'd insist that the charge itself be called treason. It is treason to advocate seperation of the US states. |
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Post by jackmann on Aug 6, 2011 19:33:19 GMT -5
Celebrating treason isn't treason in and of itself, however. The people who are displaying the flag are not engaged in sedition, anymore than idiots displaying the swastika are engaged in gassing the Jews. It's stupid and offensive that they're celebrating it, that they take pride in it, but since there's no actual sedition happening, there's no law they're breaking.
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Post by canadian mojo on Aug 6, 2011 19:44:10 GMT -5
It is treason to advocate seperation of the US states. I'd like to see a citation for that because franlky, I think you are talking out your ass. Better yet, I'd like to see an example of someone who has been convicted of it (in modern times) for simply advocating separation. |
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Post by ltfred on Aug 6, 2011 20:02:12 GMT -5
It is treason to advocate seperation of the US states. I'd like to see a citation for that Texas vs White (1869)- unilateral secession is unconstitutional-all acts by that 'government' were "treasonable and void". Secession is illegal rebellion. Advocating or paying for rebellion is treason- "whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States" The South clearly levied war against the Union, which they owed allegience to. Jefferson Davis and General Lee certainly would have been hung for their offences, but for a general presidential amnesty. The waving of Treason Flags is either an advocation of future ilegal rebellion or adhering to and celebrating the beliefs of the past one- both are treason. |
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Aug 6, 2011 20:20:40 GMT -5
How very dystopian...
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Aug 6, 2011 20:23:38 GMT -5
I would think that the USA is a lot more cultured than to deliver death to people who have a political disagreement.
Because nowadays, that's what it is.
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Post by canadian mojo on Aug 6, 2011 20:50:24 GMT -5
I'd like to see a citation for that Texas vs White (1869)- unilateral secession is unconstitutional-all acts by that 'government' were "treasonable and void". Secession is illegal rebellion. Advocating or paying for rebellion is treason- "whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States" The South clearly levied war against the Union, which they owed allegience to. Jefferson Davis and General Lee certainly would have been hung for their offences, but for a general presidential amnesty. The waving of Treason Flags is either an advocation of future ilegal rebellion or adhering to and celebrating the beliefs of the past one- both are treason. Okay Marat, you want to try for something in the 20th century? Particularly, since as you yourself point out, there was a blanket amnesty granted for the people who rallied under the flag you want to execute people for displaying. Levying a war is a hell of a lot different than simply advocating for the dissolution of a country. The latter can be done peacefully and legally, neither of which amounts to treason. |
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Aug 6, 2011 20:56:20 GMT -5
Group of people stock-piling guns and ammo in an effort to ambush the White House: Treason.
Selling state secrets to Al Qaeda: Treason.
Some random guy flying a Confederate flag from the back of his truck because he's unhappy with the state of affairs in the capital: Not treason.
Expressing a dissenting opinion about the federal government isn't the same thing as taking active measures to destroy your own nation. Likewise, the fact that a symbol has criminal origins hardly makes it a crime to display it.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Aug 6, 2011 21:38:50 GMT -5
Same reason you don't arrest people for piracy when they display a skull and crossbones.
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Post by canadian mojo on Aug 6, 2011 21:47:31 GMT -5
Same reason you don't arrest people for piracy when they display a skull and crossbones. Or an American for displaying the Stars and Stripes while visiting the U.K.  |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Aug 6, 2011 21:49:09 GMT -5
Same reason you don't arrest people for piracy when they display a skull and crossbones. Or an American for displaying the Stars and Stripes while visiting the U.K. ...! Excellent point there! |
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Aug 6, 2011 22:08:21 GMT -5
I agree that the Confederate flag represents racism and treason--I don't care to hear any whining about fucking "Southern pride", especially since I'm from the South--but execution? C'mon, I'd never go that far, even hyperbolically speaking. It is treason to advocate seperation of the US states. Not true. Advocating secession is very much protected by the First Amendment. See Brandenburg v. Ohio. |
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Aug 6, 2011 22:14:34 GMT -5
Well, obviously, Ohio should be tried for treason.
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