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Post by ragabash on Sept 15, 2011 23:25:52 GMT -5
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Post by lighthorseman on Sept 15, 2011 23:26:13 GMT -5
You believe Stephen Hawking would not be alive today if he'd lived in a country with socialised medicine. Thats a really cool line... although I feel it only fair to point out that Hawking does actually pay for a significant amount of his own healthcare, and that a person with a similar condition with only the National Health scheme to support him may not do quite as well for quite as long. |
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Sept 15, 2011 23:30:30 GMT -5
Mexicans are the only immigrants you give a shit about.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Sept 15, 2011 23:53:28 GMT -5
If you compare your protest to the Boston Tea Party.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Sept 16, 2011 0:06:03 GMT -5
You spent several months standing beside busy roads waving signs saying "I'm teabagging for Jesus" before you figured out what "teabagging" really means.
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Post by sylvana on Sept 16, 2011 2:16:13 GMT -5
You believe Stephen Hawking would not be alive today if he'd lived in a country with socialised medicine. Thats a really cool line... although I feel it only fair to point out that Hawking does actually pay for a significant amount of his own healthcare, and that a person with a similar condition with only the National Health scheme to support him may not do quite as well for quite as long. Personally I find Steven Hawking to be pretty damn amazing. Regardless of paying for his own healthcare, I don't think anyone else with his condition has lasted as long as he has. I think that quote wins the thread though. |
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Post by ltfred on Sept 16, 2011 2:18:22 GMT -5
You tell Canadians that their personal experiences with the Canadian health care system are WRONG because, "Glenn Beck said so." To be fair, a single data point is meaningless. |
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Sept 16, 2011 5:39:30 GMT -5
After my grandpa died my grandma learned how much his medicines would have cost a month if they hadn't had insurance. Over $17,000. A month. He had Parkinsons and Alzheimers and had over 20 pills a day to take.
It's sick that he basically would have been allowed to die a lot sooner if we hadn't had insurance.
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Post by apedant on Sept 16, 2011 5:44:14 GMT -5
You believe Stephen Hawking would not be alive today if he'd lived in a country with socialised medicine. Thats a really cool line... although I feel it only fair to point out that Hawking does actually pay for a significant amount of his own healthcare, and that a person with a similar condition with only the National Health scheme to support him may not do quite as well for quite as long. It's true certainly that he pays for some nursing care privately (or did before he married his nurse) but when he was diagnosed he was a grad student and the NHS was his only available treatment route. It is also true that his 40 year or so survival to date is a statistical anomoly even with the best of medical care. I do have a less famous story of survival with MND/ALS/Lou Gherig's that also blows Palin's "he would have been left to die (or perhaps even euthanised)" out of the water. When I was about 15 my dad started driving a taxi for extra income, and one of his regular long distance fares was to take a guy who had been diagnosed with MND a couple of years before to London to see a specialist. When I was 25 I started driving a taxi for extra income, and the same guy with the same journey was one of my regular fares (my dad was now picking up his extra cash by owning the taxi company). The condition had progressed but we could still chat via an eye-controlled computer, and he would sing the praises of NHS treatment. I heard that he has died in the 3 years since I saw him last, but given a median prognosis of 3-5 years 1, the NHS seem to be quite good at beating the odds. 1 www.patient.co.uk/doctor/Motor-Neurone-Disease-%28MND%29.htm |
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Sept 16, 2011 20:06:54 GMT -5
You tell Canadians that their personal experiences with the Canadian health care system are WRONG because, "Glenn Beck said so." To be fair, a single data point is meaningless. Not when they're disputing the validity of the data point itself. For instance... Them: "All people with terminal illness receive no care in Canada, because they don't have anything to offer society." Me: "I make my living caring for a girl with a terminal illness. She receives plenty of medical care." Them: "You're lying! I saw it on Glenn Beck!" |
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Post by DrKilljoy on Sept 17, 2011 17:13:07 GMT -5
The number of chins you have is the same as the number of guns you own This was actually true of me until I received my second gun last year. |
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Post by Amaranth on Sept 17, 2011 17:27:39 GMT -5
I can have 12 more guns!
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Post by lighthorseman on Sept 18, 2011 1:18:29 GMT -5
Thats a really cool line... although I feel it only fair to point out that Hawking does actually pay for a significant amount of his own healthcare, and that a person with a similar condition with only the National Health scheme to support him may not do quite as well for quite as long. Personally I find Steven Hawking to be pretty damn amazing. Regardless of paying for his own healthcare, I don't think anyone else with his condition has lasted as long as he has. Vast amount of respect for Hawking... but from a health care point of view, I suspect being able to afford 24 hour private nursing care is possibly a little more relevent than "strength of will" |
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Post by brendanrizzo on Sept 18, 2011 1:18:47 GMT -5
Aw, the thread seems to have gone off-topic a little. Can we go back to directly making fun of the Tea Party?
Like, you know you're a Teabagger if you think that Iraq is Egypt...
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Post by lighthorseman on Sept 18, 2011 1:20:22 GMT -5
Thats a really cool line... although I feel it only fair to point out that Hawking does actually pay for a significant amount of his own healthcare, and that a person with a similar condition with only the National Health scheme to support him may not do quite as well for quite as long. It's true certainly that he pays for some nursing care privately (or did before he married his nurse) but when he was diagnosed he was a grad student and the NHS was his only available treatment route. It is also true that his 40 year or so survival to date is a statistical anomoly even with the best of medical care. I do have a less famous story of survival with MND/ALS/Lou Gherig's that also blows Palin's "he would have been left to die (or perhaps even euthanised)" out of the water. When I was about 15 my dad started driving a taxi for extra income, and one of his regular long distance fares was to take a guy who had been diagnosed with MND a couple of years before to London to see a specialist. When I was 25 I started driving a taxi for extra income, and the same guy with the same journey was one of my regular fares (my dad was now picking up his extra cash by owning the taxi company). The condition had progressed but we could still chat via an eye-controlled computer, and he would sing the praises of NHS treatment. I heard that he has died in the 3 years since I saw him last, but given a median prognosis of 3-5 years 1, the NHS seem to be quite good at beating the odds. 1 www.patient.co.uk/doctor/Motor-Neurone-Disease-%28MND%29.htmBecause vageuly adequately funded public health systems are pretty good |
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