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Post by HarleyThomas1002 on May 5, 2009 21:41:00 GMT -5
The This or That has shown this show to be quite popular and I've decided to make a thread about it.
Currently watching Yakuza vs Mafia and so far the Mafia is winning.
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Post by Art Vandelay on May 5, 2009 22:50:03 GMT -5
I've never heard of this show before but I must say I am highly intrigued. If anyone knows where I can watch it online that would be most swell (note to people thinking of saying "your computer": You're not funny).
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Post by Vene on May 5, 2009 22:58:39 GMT -5
Your roommate's computer.
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Post by HarleyThomas1002 on May 5, 2009 23:41:34 GMT -5
Vene wins teh prize!
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Post by John E on May 6, 2009 0:14:32 GMT -5
I've been watching it.
My biggest complaint is that the pairings are completely ridiculous. They pair up completely different kinds of warriors, often with VASTLY different levels of technology, and specializing in VERY different kinds of combat. For example, Spartan vs. ninja. WTF? It's not even like comparing apples and oranges. It's like apples and salmon! And to make it worse, they always put them in exactly the same scenario, a one on one, face to face fight, which automatically puts warriors specialized in other forms of combat (such as group battles or sneak attacks) at an arbitrary disadvantage.
Here's some pairings I'd do if I were in charge: 15th century knight vs. samurai viking vs. mongolian pirate vs. ninja (duh! How did the producers miss this one?!) Spartan vs. Celt
Mafia vs. Yakuza is the only pairing so far that makes any sense.
They also don't seem to take fighting techniques into account. They figure out how much damage a viking spear would do to a samurai for example, but they don't figure out how likely an average viking would be to LAND a hit on an average samurai.
On the plus side, as a medieval history and martial arts enthusiast, I love being able to see the various weapons in action, what kind of damage they can actually do and how they fare against armor.
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Post by HarleyThomas1002 on May 6, 2009 0:22:12 GMT -5
Pirates vs ninja is just dumb and whoever first though of that should be shot.
The one thing about the Mafia vs Yakuza that got on my nerves was that they didn't take accuracy into account with the sawed-off shotgun and Walther P-39.
Next weeks episode looks pretty good. And episode 9 sounds pretty interesting. IRA vs Taliban.
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Post by John E on May 6, 2009 0:28:24 GMT -5
Pirates vs ninja is just dumb and whoever first though of that should be shot. Yeah, but they would have practically guaranteed a ratings boost to their show. And besides, at least they are both unorthodox, unarmored ambush warriors. Instead, both were pared up with formally trained, heavily armored open-field battle warriors.
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Post by HarleyThomas1002 on May 6, 2009 0:32:58 GMT -5
They only really test out what would happen in a direct out in the open fight which is why the Spartan won. That and being a walking, talking, bronze covered tank. If it were an ordinary sneak attack the battle would have been won by the ninja.
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Post by John E on May 6, 2009 0:34:59 GMT -5
Exactly! Any warrior not specializing in face-to-face, one-on-one combat is placed at an arbitrary disadvantage, because that's the only scenario they consider.
EDIT: They should be pairing up warriors with similar specialties. Then their comparisons would be valid.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on May 6, 2009 0:58:17 GMT -5
I don't know, opposite pairings are kind of interesting, too.
Too bad I missed Mafia vs. Yakuza...but they seriously did that one one-on-one, too?
My biggest beef is with the computer program. There's no way it can be even remotely accurate. They're constantly mentioning its limitations, and I have to wonder, "Say the ninja landed a hit with the black egg. Was the dehabilitation of the Spartan's performances factored?" Also, in addition to not factoring in the techniques, some of the choices of weapons are bad. Ninja had crossbows, which can definately pierce armor. They also had gunpowder. If they didn't have access to the stuff, given their class, they could always just steal it. Just general stuff like that.
So, bottomline: The show is cool, and it certainly has some scientific basis, but it should be taken at a primarily entertainment value, because it just does not stand up to technical scrutiny.
Also, I'm proud of them for ignoring Pirate vs. Ninja. That's just so...ugh. I hate even hearing about it, anymore. I understand where you're going, but surely they could find something that fits the bill other than PIRATE.
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Post by HarleyThomas1002 on May 6, 2009 1:10:18 GMT -5
Mafia vs. Yakuza was 5 on 5.
I'm surprised the Tommy Gun is better than the Sten. I was always under the impression that the Tommy Gun was spray and pray.
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Post by Rat Of Steel on May 6, 2009 1:11:02 GMT -5
I don't know, opposite pairings are kind of interesting, too. Too bad I missed Mafia vs. Yakuza...but they seriously did that one one-on-one, too? Five-on-five this time, actually. With modern guns, the action would be over too quickly with only two combatants going at it. Next week's episode features U.S. Green Beret vs. Soviet Union Spetsnaz, which I'm assuming will be the same small unit vs. small unit kind of skirmish.
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Post by HarleyThomas1002 on May 6, 2009 2:12:57 GMT -5
My money's on the Spetsnaz. I'm not sure why though. Maybe it has something to do with the Dragunov.
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Post by Rat Of Steel on May 6, 2009 2:33:29 GMT -5
I've never heard of this show before but I must say I am highly intrigued. If anyone knows where I can watch it online that would be most swell (note to people thinking of saying "your computer": You're not funny). You can keep up with the series at its source: www.spike.comFor now, watching episodes prior to the "Mafia vs. Yakuza" episode on YouTube will be hit-or-miss at best. Mafia vs. Yakuza, which is the current episode as of this posting, can be viewed here. ADDENDUM: Apparently, the narrator of these episodes is not David Wenham, as much as it does sound like him speaking.
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Post by Dr. Waldorf X on May 6, 2009 3:04:53 GMT -5
Exactly! Any warrior not specializing in face-to-face, one-on-one combat is placed at an arbitrary disadvantage, because that's the only scenario they consider. EDIT: They should be pairing up warriors with similar specialties. Then their comparisons would be valid. What, you didn't notice that the pirate won simply because of his willingness to fight dirty?
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